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    Re: CBO Numbers [have just come out]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    then it would seem the best strategy for the opposition is to identify all of the busts and miscalculations and double counting identifiable within the CBO numbers and show the public that it is being sold a bill of goods. time for the republicans to fan away the smoke and break the mirrors

    being unable to do that, because there are no identifiable and explainable busts, miscalculations or double countings to be found in the CBO data, then we should expect the republicans to instead rail about Obama being in the USA instead of indonesia on sunday, or that it is sacrilegious to vote on sunday, or that 'deemed to pass' is an underhanded tactic (except when republicans use it)

    thanks for the laugh
    Unfortunately it is not that simple (even though I wish it was). If the republicans are correct and the estimate is misleading, they will publish some stuff and get their guys out on Fox News and AM radio. In fact, even if they can't come up with why this is misleading, they will make something up because it supports their world view.

    However, even if the republicans are right, than the democrats will gloss over it as well and get their stuff out on Kos, MSNBC, etc because that is what supports their world view.

    The truth of it doesn't matter to either side.

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    Re: CBO Numbers [have just come out]

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Unfortunately it is not that simple (even though I wish it was). If the republicans are correct and the estimate is misleading, they will publish some stuff and get their guys out on Fox News and AM radio. In fact, even if they can't come up with why this is misleading, they will make something up because it supports their world view.

    However, even if the republicans are right, than the democrats will gloss over it as well and get their stuff out on Kos, MSNBC, etc because that is what supports their world view.

    The truth of it doesn't matter to either side.
    from your post it is apparent that i did not clearly articulate my point
    if the CBO data is truly flawed, then the opposition could and should galvanize public sentiment against the bill by revealing the misrepresentation - by exposing the deceit of the CBO numbers
    that they can't indicates the numbers are likely based on legitimate premise

    the opposition on these pages similarly insists that the CBO data is flawed. but they also want us to take their word for it, being without the ability to show that the numbers are incorrect
    the numbers are objective, and are easily subject to scrutiny to point out what does not add up
    the underlying assumptions used by the CBO to compile those numerical estimates are much more subjective, yet we see nothing from the republicans identifying why those assumptions render the CBO data illegitimate

    either the CBO numbers are sound
    or the opposition is too inept to expose the errors within them
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    Re: CBO Numbers [have just come out]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    from your post it is apparent that i did not clearly articulate my point
    if the CBO data is truly flawed, then the opposition could and should galvanize public sentiment against the bill by revealing the misrepresentation - by exposing the deceit of the CBO numbers
    that they can't indicates the numbers are likely based on legitimate premise

    the opposition on these pages similarly insists that the CBO data is flawed. but they also want us to take their word for it, being without the ability to show that the numbers are incorrect
    the numbers are objective, and are easily subject to scrutiny to point out what does not add up
    the underlying assumptions used by the CBO to compile those numerical estimates are much more subjective, yet we see nothing from the republicans identifying why those assumptions render the CBO data illegitimate

    either the CBO numbers are sound
    or the opposition is too inept to expose the errors within them
    We must be reading two different threads, because I've seen half a dozen posts here where people have pointed out issues where the CBO's projections will almost certainly deviate from reality.

    All we can do is place the evidence in front of you. If you don't want to read it, that's on you.
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    Re: CBO Numbers [have just come out]

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    We must be reading two different threads, because I've seen half a dozen posts here where people have pointed out issues where the CBO's projections will almost certainly deviate from reality.

    All we can do is place the evidence in front of you. If you don't want to read it, that's on you.
    great!
    show me the evidence
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    Re: CBO Numbers [have just come out]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    great!
    show me the evidence
    How about you try reading the thread?

    I'll even link you, but I'm not going to hold your hand through the entire process.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058626567
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    Re: CBO Numbers [have just come out]

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    How about you try reading the thread?

    I'll even link you, but I'm not going to hold your hand through the entire process.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058626567
    so you actually have nothing - except an opinion unsupported by any facts

    thanks for sharing
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    Re: CBO Numbers [have just come out]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so you actually have nothing - except an opinion unsupported by any facts

    thanks for sharing
    I posted the letter from the head of the CBO to Pelosi, that should be good enough.
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    Re: CBO Numbers [have just come out]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I posted the letter from the head of the CBO to Pelosi, that should be good enough.
    sure it was. good enough to demonstrate that the opposition is without any factual basis to undermine the CBO estimates

    thanks for that
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    Re: CBO Numbers [have just come out]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    sure it was. good enough to demonstrate that the opposition is without any factual basis to undermine the CBO estimates

    thanks for that
    Did you even bother to read it?

    The guy explicitly states that the estimate is only a preliminary one and that it can't be considered accurate because of additional outlays not represented in the current bill.
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    Re: CBO Numbers [have just come out]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so you actually have nothing - except an opinion unsupported by any facts

    thanks for sharing
    The bulk of that post is taken directly from the CBO's letter. Like I said, there's only so much I can do for you.
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