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    Ukraine U-Turn: Kiev to ban itself from NATO

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    Ukraine's new government looks set to turn its back on a key objective of the previous administration. The ruling coalition is preparing to pass a law that would keep the country out of any military alliances. This would provide a legal block for any possible membership of NATO, as RT's Ekaterina Gracheva explains.
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    Re: Ukraine U-Turn: Kiev to ban itself from NATO

    NATO like the Cuban embargo is nothing but a relic of the Cold War. Its time to do away with it.
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    Re: Ukraine U-Turn: Kiev to ban itself from NATO

    Shame that the Ukraine is so split like it is, the political and social differences are almost too much. I think they would benefit from NATO more than it would with ties with Russia. As for avoiding military blocs it can formally obviously but it has to move closer to Russia or the west, it cannot exist entirely on its own and the benefits from siding with one or the other are too much to resist.

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    Re: Ukraine U-Turn: Kiev to ban itself from NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    NATO like the Cuban embargo is nothing but a relic of the Cold War. Its time to do away with it.
    Couldn't have said it better myself. After the Berlin Wall fell the Soviet Union started dissolving the Warsaw Pact then finally in 1990 Bush and Gorby declared the cold war over. Instead of America following suit they expanded.

    NATO also turns the world into a fragile place. Say for example Russia attacks a very small country like Denmark. That means every other country in the alliance will have to fight Russia for Denmark... Which could lead to a large violent conflict.
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    Re: Ukraine U-Turn: Kiev to ban itself from NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Shame that the Ukraine is so split like it is, the political and social differences are almost too much. I think they would benefit from NATO more than it would with ties with Russia. As for avoiding military blocs it can formally obviously but it has to move closer to Russia or the west, it cannot exist entirely on its own and the benefits from siding with one or the other are too much to resist.
    Ukraine found out the cold war ended a long time ago (apparently NATO hasn't figured that out yet). They seek to be independent. You can trade and cooperate with both side. Joining a military alliance divides the world - it doesn't bring it closer together.
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    Re: Ukraine U-Turn: Kiev to ban itself from NATO

    Preponderance of power is what brings peace which is why NATO continues to exist and why its important. Take for example your idea about Denmark and Russia going to war, if you were a Russian war planner which situation do you think is more favorable.
    1) Denmark is alone with no allies
    2) Denmark has all of the NATO countries on its side who will fight for it.

    Obviously you want Denmark or any other target to be alone because you want the Russian or any other warplanners to look at the situation and see an un-winnable war and unobtainable objective. Thats how you prevent war, by making sure that no potential enemy can see a route to victory, so they don't even try.
    The purpose of NATO while originally was to simply check potential Soviet Aggression still has a purpose to play by being an insurmountable obstacle to any potential aggression.

    Also Ukraine is too small and its economics and culture are too tied into Russia for it to exist solely on its own. It must either stick with Russia or seek support from the west to continue as it is without social unrest, political unrest and economic unrest.

    Lastly its geography and position next to Russia make it much too great a security risk to allow to become too pro-western. If Hitler had started in the Ukraine he would have reached Moscow and Stalingrad in two weeks, think how fast NATO could move if it were to start in Russia?

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    Re: Ukraine U-Turn: Kiev to ban itself from NATO

    I find it interesting that everyone who has thus far posted on this subject fails to realize that the word 'Blocs' is plural.
    To my mind that means ANY side whether it be Russian or NATO military bloc.
    I doubt in the long run that Ukraine it can remain neutral.

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