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    Re: Obama: No Cuts To Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    UHC has saved money in literally every country that implements it, I don't see why it would do differently here. American unexceptionalism?
    There are several reasons why this country would never implement a replica of a foreign UHC system, primarily because of what you just mentioned - our strikingly different cultural values. Try getting the American public to sign onto something like the British NICE - people just recoil at the very notion. It's a huge problem, but I don't see it changing any time soon.

    However, since the bill on the table doesn't really resemble UHC, it's sort of moot.
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    Re: Obama: No Cuts To Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Here is President Obama speaking earlier this week on the outskirts of Cleveland:

    You know, the most insidious argument they’re making is the idea that somehow [Obamacare] would hurt Medicare. I know we’ve got some seniors here with us today. . . . But I want to tell you directly: This proposal adds almost a decade of solvency to Medicare. . . . And every senior should know there is no cutting of your guaranteed Medicare benefits. Period. No "ifs," "ands," or "buts." This proposal makes Medicare stronger, it makes the coverage better, and it makes the finances more secure. And anybody who says otherwise is either misinformed — or they’re trying to misinform you. Don’t let them hoodwink you. They’re trying to hoodwink you.

    The Congressional Budget Office (CBO), not known for hoodwinking, says that about 40 percent of Obamacare — about $1 trillion out of $2.5 trillion over the bill's real first decade (2014 to 2023) — would be financed by diverting money out of Medicare. Over $200 billion of that would come from cuts in Medicare Advantage payments — about $21,000 per enrollee over those same ten years, according to the CBO. Taking nearly $1 trillion out of Medicare and spending it on Obamacare wouldn't make Medicare more solvent — quite the opposite — and it wouldn't extend Medicare's solvency by ten years — or, for that matter, by ten months, ten days, or even ten minutes....



    maybe it's like his "no tax increases for anyone under 250,000" pledge, where he just assumes everyone knows he's full of it?
    Obama has to be the biggest liar of any president we have ever had........Everryone knows that if this bill passes there will be 500,000,000 in cuts in medicare.......
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    Re: Obama: No Cuts To Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    How?? Anyone with a microgram of common sense (see also: Conservative) knows that once government gets its filthy mitts into anything other than what is Constitutionally mandated, it screws it up royally. And healthcare clearly does not belong in the purview of the government!
    What do you mean how? What I said is true and not debatable.

    Like I said, literally every country with UHC spends less than we do, per-capita. In fact, we even spend more tax dollars per-capita than most of them.

    I'll say it again just so everyone understands:

    The US government spends more tax dollars per-person than Canada/UK/Australia/Germany/France/Japan/Etc spends in tax dollars per-person.

    Americans also have to pay premiums on health insurance, so our private spending is drastically higher than the rest.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    There are several reasons why this country would never implement a replica of a foreign UHC system, primarily because of what you just mentioned - our strikingly different cultural values. Try getting the American public to sign onto something like the British NICE - people just recoil at the very notion. It's a huge problem, but I don't see it changing any time soon.

    However, since the bill on the table doesn't really resemble UHC, it's sort of moot.
    Very true. That doesn't stop people from railing against socialist medicine that the administration is NOT proposing, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Obama has to be the biggest liar of any president we have ever had........Everryone knows that if this bill passes there will be 500,000,000 in cuts in medicare.......
    Everyone knows but few seem to understand. The actual number has dropped, if I remember right, and the cuts aren't going to result in less care for the patients. They result in less fraud (in theory) and lowered payment to practitioners. (not that I agree with the idea)
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    Re: Obama: No Cuts To Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Obama has to be the biggest liar of any president we have ever had........Everryone knows that if this bill passes there will be 500,000,000 in cuts in medicare.......
    More lies and right-wing radio propoganda.
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    Re: Obama: No Cuts To Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    More lies and right-wing radio propoganda.
    DD ia ma ashamed of you.Is that the best you got? Are you saying that Obama care is not going to cut medicare by 500,000,000?
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    Re: Obama: No Cuts To Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    More lies and right-wing radio propoganda.
    According to the CBO, the health care bill would:

    *Reduce Medicare Hospital outlays by $156.6b
    *Reduce Medicare Advantage outlays by $131.9b
    *Reduce Home Health care outlays by $39.7b
    *Reduce Medicare DSH payments by $22.1b
    *Reduce Part D subsidy by $10.7b

    That alone totals $361b, and I didn't even include the rest of the smaller cuts.

    How, exactly, is that "lies and right-wing radio propaganda"?
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    Re: Obama: No Cuts To Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    According to the CBO, the health care bill would:

    *Reduce Medicare Hospital outlays by $156.6b
    *Reduce Medicare Advantage outlays by $131.9b
    *Reduce Home Health care outlays by $39.7b
    *Reduce Medicare DSH payments by $22.1b
    *Reduce Part D subsidy by $10.7b

    That alone totals $361b, and I didn't even include the rest of the smaller cuts.

    How, exactly, is that "lies and right-wing radio propaganda"?
    DD thinks all he has to do is call them lies and everyone will believe him....

    I have seen estimates that half the doctors that take medicare patients now will drop them so there will be millions of more patients and half the doctors.......
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    Re: Obama: No Cuts To Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Everyone knows but few seem to understand. The actual number has dropped, if I remember right, and the cuts aren't going to result in less care for the patients. They result in less fraud (in theory) and lowered payment to practitioners. (not that I agree with the idea)
    Which will reduce the availability of medical care for people that rely on Medicare, which in turn will "force" the government to "save us" from the additional crisis they created.
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    Re: Obama: No Cuts To Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What do you mean how? What I said is true and not debatable.

    Like I said, literally every country with UHC spends less than we do, per-capita. In fact, we even spend more tax dollars per-capita than most of them.

    I'll say it again just so everyone understands:

    The US government spends more tax dollars per-person than Canada/UK/Australia/Germany/France/Japan/Etc spends in tax dollars per-person.

    Americans also have to pay premiums on health insurance, so our private spending is drastically higher than the rest.
    And unless the disparity is attributable to the organization of our health care system, it doesn't really matter that much.

    Very true. That doesn't stop people from railing against socialist medicine that the administration is NOT proposing, though.
    Nor does it stop people from clamoring for a public option that they don't realize wouldn't be available to them. Relying on the public to understand anything more complex than the plot of an average Law & Order episode is a risky proposition.

    Everyone knows but few seem to understand. The actual number has dropped, if I remember right, and the cuts aren't going to result in less care for the patients. They result in less fraud (in theory) and lowered payment to practitioners. (not that I agree with the idea)
    Which inexorably leads to:

    1) More providers dropping out of the government system, and
    2) An increase in the rate charged to private insurers by those providers who stay in the system

    Both of those things lead directly to reduced availability of care for the poor and increased premiums for the privately insured.
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    Re: Obama: No Cuts To Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Everyone knows but few seem to understand. The actual number has dropped, if I remember right, and the cuts aren't going to result in less care for the patients. They result in less fraud (in theory) and lowered payment to practitioners. (not that I agree with the idea)
    get real

    he says he's going to recover a half T of waste, fraud and abuse that apparently ted kennedy was just too stupid to find in all those decades of searching

    ineed, that's how he pays for TWO THIRDS of all this crap

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1offvgT8hc"]YouTube- President Obama's Prime Time News Conference on Healthcare - July 22nd, 2009[/ame]


    the assertion is insulting

    it comes at about 4:45, i remember being stunned by his monumental gall when i saw him make it live, this summer

    his bogus bid to bankroll 2/3 of his obamite ambitions with $500,000,000 of wfa was a centerpiece, as well, of his primetime presser which was ruined by the cop vs po po soap opera (gates and crowley)

    you can't immensely expand medicare and medicaid while massively cutting funding without DESTROYING quality of care

    hello

    this is why so few believe him anymore, this is why his approvals and his plan's are in the crapper
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