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Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

Conservative said:
When are you going to learn? Add this to the problems in Greece, Italy, Spain and still you support massive growth in the size of govt? That just shows how naive you really are.

Moving forward as you described it gave us this bill. Unfortunately wage slaves don't understand how much a trillion dollars is. Too bad that economic disasters affect us all and not just the people like you that support this POS.

Brown Resigns as British Prime Minister

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Gordon Brown announces he will resign as British prime minister, saying "it was a privilege to serve."
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Stay focused. Don't cloud the issue with too many unrelated things. We're talking about health care reform.
 
Boo Radley said:
Stay focused. Don't cloud the issue with too many unrelated things. We're talking about health care reform.
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It is all related, social engineering is what Europe has done and is bankrupt. Social engineering is what liberals are doing here and it is bankrupting us. Your lack of economic understanding is staggering and only a liberal ignores history and what is happening in other parts of the world because of their own arrogance believing they can always do it better when evidence has never proven that to be the case.
 
FWIW, April 2010 employment at physicians offices decreased ever so slightly to 2,311,900 from March's figure of 2,312,200. That's a decrease of just 300 persons, not all of which were likely to have been physicians. Other sectors of the health industry experienced employment growth.
 
Conservative said:
It is all related, social engineering is what Europe has done and is bankrupt. Social engineering is what liberals are doing here and it is bankrupting us. Your lack of economic understanding is staggering and only a liberal ignores history and what is happening in other parts of the world because of their own arrogance believing they can always do it better when evidence has never proven that to be the case.
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No, actually it's not. It's far more complicated than that. And you spout far too many mindless stereotypes to suggest you're actually an expert here. Sorry.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, actually it's not. It's far more complicated than that. And you spout far too many mindless stereotypes to suggest you're actually an expert here. Sorry.
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No, it is only complicated in the liberal mind who prefers keeping things complicated so as to keep people confused. It sure has worked with you.

What I spout is historical data that you ignore while countering with future predictions, none of which have ever proven to be correct.

That European social model doesn't work there and won't work here so why are you supporting it?
 
Boo Radley said:
No, actually it's not. It's far more complicated than that. And you spout far too many mindless stereotypes to suggest you're actually an expert here. Sorry.
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Since I am the one that you claim spouts far too many mindelss stereotypes and that you are the expert here believing what the CBO tells you, how do you respond to the following since your precious CBO now has another revised estimate for healthcare

ABC News Senior White House Correspondent Jake Tapper

CBO: Health Care Bill Will Cost $115 Billion More Than Previously Assessed
May 12, 2010 9:08 AM

The director of the Congressional Budget Office said Tuesday that the health care reform legislation would cost, over the next ten years, $115 billion more than previously thought, bringing the total cost to more than $1 trillion.

The revised figure is due to estimated costs to federal agencies to implement the new health care reform bill – such as administrative expenses for the Internal Revenue Services and the Department of Health and Human Services -- and the costs for a "variety of grant and other program spending for which specified funding levels for one or more years are provided in the act."

Is there ever going to come a time that you question what you are told by officials in D.C.?
 
Conservative said:
Since I am the one that you claim spouts far too many mindelss stereotypes and that you are the expert here believing what the CBO tells you, how do you respond to the following since your precious CBO now has another revised estimate for healthcare

ABC News Senior White House Correspondent Jake Tapper

CBO: Health Care Bill Will Cost $115 Billion More Than Previously Assessed
May 12, 2010 9:08 AM

The director of the Congressional Budget Office said Tuesday that the health care reform legislation would cost, over the next ten years, $115 billion more than previously thought, bringing the total cost to more than $1 trillion.

The revised figure is due to estimated costs to federal agencies to implement the new health care reform bill – such as administrative expenses for the Internal Revenue Services and the Department of Health and Human Services -- and the costs for a "variety of grant and other program spending for which specified funding levels for one or more years are provided in the act."

Is there ever going to come a time that you question what you are told by officials in D.C.?
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Care to provide a link?
 
Conservative said:
Still doubting me? Why don't you question more what you are being told by people in this Administration?

CBO: Health Care Bill Will Cost $115 Billion More Than Previously Assessed - Political Punch
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Nope. I had seen this before. What tickles me is now you trust them. ;)

Go back and read and you will see that I doubted the savings would be what the CBO claimed, but that this is a step in the right direction. It still is. And what I explained is still true.The government Budget versus our savings are different. This does not address what I argued above.

However, your article does say savings with this bill are still possible. Like I said, other actions will have to accompany it.
 
The healthcare bill passed, such as it is.

Where have all those doctors who quit medicine gone now?
 
Boo Radley said:
Nope. I had seen this before. What tickles me is now you trust them. ;)

Go back and read and you will see that I doubted the savings would be what the CBO claimed, but that this is a step in the right direction. It still is. And what I explained is still true.The government Budget versus our savings are different. This does not address what I argued above.

However, your article does say savings with this bill are still possible. Like I said, other actions will have to accompany it.
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What you continue to ignore is the history of the CBO and their projections. you want badly to believe that this POS will cut actual healthcare costs when there is nothing in this bill that does that. Access does not reduce costs, it increases them especially with an opt out penalty that leaves only the chronically ill in the program. You really are naive?

When you spend over a trillion dollars it better be something more than a good first step. I don't buy CBO numbers and never will but posted this since you seem to believe the projections. Fact is the projections are always going to change as more and more spending occurs and economic conditions change. Stop buying what you are told and think for a change.
 
Boo Radley said:
It'll be a long wait for them. :lol:;)
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Interesting how predictions of doctors dropping out are taken as gospel when the reality is the bill hasn't gone into effect yet. why would a doctor drop out now before the bill goes into effect? Some people simply are incapable of thinking.
 
Conservative said:
Interesting how predictions of doctors dropping out are taken as gospel when the reality is the bill hasn't gone into effect yet. why would a doctor drop out now before the bill goes into effect? Some people simply are incapable of thinking.
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Doctors aren't going anywhere. It's pure silliness to believe they will.
 
Boo Radley said:
Doctors aren't going anywhere. It's pure silliness to believe they will.
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Have you ever made a payroll? You simply haven't a clue. You get a paycheck and don't care where it comes from. Just shows how naive you really are.
 
Thank god! I finally found a doctor that quit! I'm hiding him under my floorboards, he said he fled after the Government Secret Police came after him for disagreeing with Obama about Health Care Reform!
 
Conservative said:
Have you ever made a payroll? You simply haven't a clue. You get a paycheck and don't care where it comes from. Just shows how naive you really are.
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Are you on record, then, as predicting that nearly 50% of the doctors in the USA will quit medicine when the provisions of the health care bill kick in? Really?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Thank god! I finally found a doctor that quit! I'm hiding him under my floorboards, he said he fled after the Government Secret Police came after him for disagreeing with Obama about Health Care Reform!
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Still love those Canadian experts on the U.S. Healthcare system! Keep your version of socialism north of the border.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Are you on record, then, as predicting that nearly 50% of the doctors in the USA will quit medicine when the provisions of the health care bill kick in? Really?
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Whether or not it is 50% is irrelevant. Any net loss of doctors does not bode well for improved care that you are promoting. What you don't understand is how business works and how this bill does not lower healthcare costs. It may initially lower premiums due to subsidies but it does nothing to lower actual costs. Just like cash for clunkers, first time home buyer subsidies, the initial costs go down but once the subsidies are gone so are the savings.

The Federal govt. is totally incapable of providing social services and no matter how much you promote that idea the facts simply do not support your position. Healthcare is a personal responsibility unless of course you are then going to promote govt. telling you what to eat, what to drink, and how to live your life. Wage slaves have no problem doing that since they have nothing to lose until their business goes out of business.

Think the American people having to make a choice would choose a job or healthcare. Right now we continue to have over 15 million people not working. Fortunately for you, you aren't one of them. My bet is you would look at this differently if you were.
 
Conservative said:
Have you ever made a payroll? You simply haven't a clue. You get a paycheck and don't care where it comes from. Just shows how naive you really are.
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Is this your typical dodge? Doesn't seem effective to me. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
Is this your typical dodge? Doesn't seem effective to me. ;)
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My dodge? :rofl you have been the one dodging history throughout this and every other healthcare thread. Fact is doctors are dropping Medicare and Medicaid because of low reimbursement rates and will continue to do so. After this bill goes into effect the shortage of doctors will make this worse, not a good first step.

now answer the question, have you ever had to make a payroll?
 
Conservative said:
My dodge? :rofl you have been the one dodging history throughout this and every other healthcare thread. Fact is doctors are dropping Medicare and Medicaid because of low reimbursement rates and will continue to do so. After this bill goes into effect the shortage of doctors will make this worse, not a good first step.

now answer the question, have you ever had to make a payroll?
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They are doing this before reform (history). They will not drop a newly insured person who had to buy his own insurance under the law. It's a different thing. Nor will they drop those who receive assistance in getting their own insurance. Again, different. And with some of the better incentives for taking medicare and medicaid patients, along with incentives to share in the savings doctors earn by reducing costs, there is little that makes this worse than what we presently have.
 
Boo Radley said:
They are doing this before reform (history). They will not drop a newly insured person who had to buy his own insurance under the law. It's a different thing. Nor will they drop those who receive assistance in getting their own insurance. Again, different. And with some of the better incentives for taking medicare and medicaid patients, along with incentives to share in the savings doctors earn by reducing costs, there is little that makes this worse than what we presently have.
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the vast majority in this country disagree with you and are supporting the repeal of this POS. What is it that you know that they don't?

I asked you what if you are wrong? Since you don't have anything invested probably nothing. Doctors however have a lot invested in their profession and run the risk of losing it all. There is no incentive in this bill to become or remain a doctor. Just think, you get to have more patients at a lower cost with the same amount of hours in the day. You really are naive.
 
Conservative said:
the vast majority in this country disagree with you and are supporting the repeal of this POS. What is it that you know that they don't?

I asked you what if you are wrong? Since you don't have anything invested probably nothing. Doctors however have a lot invested in their profession and run the risk of losing it all. There is no incentive in this bill to become or remain a doctor. Just think, you get to have more patients at a lower cost with the same amount of hours in the day. You really are naive.
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Maybe, maybe not. We'll see. History tells us they like to keep these types of programs. See Medicare and Medicaid and SS. History if you will. ;)

Wrong about what? Doctors leaving? It is laughable to think they will. The money is still too good for them to walk away. But like anything that happens, we adjust. And we will continue to adjust our health care system. Change is a constant.
 
Boo Radley said:
Maybe, maybe not. We'll see. History tells us they like to keep these types of programs. See Medicare and Medicaid and SS. History if you will. ;)

Wrong about what? Doctors leaving? It is laughable to think they will. The money is still too good for them to walk away. But like anything that happens, we adjust. And we will continue to adjust our health care system. Change is a constant.
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The one thing that never will change is a liberal never admitting when wrong.
 
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