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Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

People in the US can also not afford US health care costs. That is the whole point of needed health care reform.

If Costa Rica can afford a UHC system rated with better outcomes than that provided in the US, than we can afford it as well.

90% of Americans can afford healthcare in this country, a fact that you ignore. You want so badly to buy what you are being told and for what reason? Do you have healthcare? Or is this typical of people like you the false claim that you truly care about someone else. If you truly cared you would apply tough love and generate results. Nothing liberals do create positive results but do create dependence.

Stop comparing this country of 308 million to a country the size of Costa Rica. That is disengenuous and just shows eactly who you are.

The number of people in this country that support this POS legislation is decreasing so tell me what you know that they don't? what happens if you are wrong?
 
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What it helps show is how out of touch with reality you really are? There aren't any taxes in this healthcare bill? The Govt. doesn't set up exchanges? All people in MA aren't covered?

You really are clueless and unfortunately aren't alone. It is pointless to argue this point with you as you apparently are certifablly hopeless. Keep digging your hole deeper.

Please pay attention and look at the facts.
 
Goes to show how far to the right some in this country are that they think the conservative idea of health insurance mandates is socialized medicine.

Perhaps a trip to Costa Rica with the entertainer that recently boasted he would go there would open their eyes. :shock:

I know. But I doubt it would help.
 
Please pay attention and look at the facts.

I have looked at the FACTS, but you seem to not understand the difference between a fact and an opinion. Not sure what is wrong with you but you certainly have a problem with reality.

You offer opinions and I offer verifiable facts. You don't know the difference. I asked you what happens if your opinions are wrong and you divert. Answer the question or run as usual.
 
Goes to show how far to the right some in this country are that they think the conservative idea of health insurance mandates is socialized medicine.

Perhaps a trip to Costa Rica with the entertainer that recently boasted he would go there would open their eyes. :shock:

Why don't you take the trip for us and then tell us how great it is?
 
I have looked at the FACTS, but you seem to not understand the difference between a fact and an opinion. Not sure what is wrong with you but you certainly have a problem with reality.

You offer opinions and I offer verifiable facts. You don't know the difference. I asked you what happens if your opinions are wrong and you divert. Answer the question or run as usual.

No, you have your facts wrong, not even knowing what is and isn't universal care, what is and isn't socialism. Sorry.
 
No, you have your facts wrong, not even knowing what is and isn't universal care, what is and isn't socialism. Sorry.

I am not talking socialism, you are. I am talking about healthcare access and what is in MA is truly UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE ACCESS. Please get an education. you are making a fool of yourself.
 
I am not talking socialism, you are. I am talking about healthcare access and what is in MA is truly UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE ACCESS. Please get an education. you are making a fool of yourself.

No, it isn't. Again, the definition:


a health insurance program in many countries other than the United States that is financed by taxes and administered by the government to provide comprehensive health care that is accessible to all citizens of that nation.
 
Don't need to, I can read.

you have selective reading skills. Anyone that compares Costa Rica to this country is not credible nor worthy of attention. Why don't you work for Costa Rica wages as well?
 
No, it isn't. Again, the definition:


a health insurance program in many countries other than the United States that is financed by taxes and administered by the government to provide comprehensive health care that is accessible to all citizens of that nation.

What does that have to do with the FACT that everyone in MA is provided healthcare thus is UNIVERSAL. Funding is part of the process but universal healthcare is about access, not funding. Stop making an ass out of yourself and embarrassing the nursing profession.
 
What does that have to do with the FACT that everyone in MA is provided healthcare thus is UNIVERSAL. Funding is part of the process but universal healthcare is about access, not funding. Stop making an ass out of yourself and embarrassing the nursing profession.

They are not provided health care. They are required to have insurance, provide their own insurance for much of it. There is no universal provider, no state provider for all, not administered by the government. We have mandatory auto insurance and it isn't universal auto care. ;)
 
They are not provided health care. They are required to have insurance, provide their own insurance for much of it. There is no universal provider, no state provider for all, not administered by the government. We have mandatory auto insurance and it isn't universal auto care. ;)

They are indeed provided healthcare insurance and that is what this is all about. You are just hardheaded. This is about access to healthcare insurance and they have it. Auto insurance protects you from someone else, health insurance is a personal responsibility that the state of MA funds with the "help" of the Federal govt. you don't seem to have a clue about what you support or what is going on in MA.
 
They are indeed provided healthcare insurance and that is what this is all about. You are just hardheaded. This is about access to healthcare insurance and they have it. Auto insurance protects you from someone else, health insurance is a personal responsibility that the state of MA funds with the "help" of the Federal govt. you don't seem to have a clue about what you support or what is going on in MA.

No, you have all that wrong, but health care insurance also protects me from paying for you irresponsibility. If you are uninsured, get in an accident, say fall off your roof or from a tree or jump in the shallow end of the lake head first, you will go to the hospital, be treated, hospitalized, cared for and be unable to pay the bill. We will pay it for you one way or the other.

And no, MA requires those who can afford insurance to get it. MA doesn't provide it for them.
 
you have selective reading skills. Anyone that compares Costa Rica to this country is not credible nor worthy of attention. Why don't you work for Costa Rica wages as well?

What does Costa Rica wages show except that they can provide world class health care for all its people for far less money than in the US?
 
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Your point? you think comparing airfare to various cities is comparable to comparing income to two countries? That is liberal logic which cannot be called logic at all.

Title of thread....

Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

Cheap overseas medical procedures, cheap airfare - Let'em quit.

Not real sharp are ya?...LOL

FACT - Health care bill passed. Doctors still on the job.
 
What does Costa Rica wages show except that they can provide world class health care for all its people for far less money than in the US?

What is shows is that there is a correlation between costs and wages. I had hoped you were smarter than you appear but again as with most liberals I remain disappointed.
 
Title of thread....

Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

Cheap overseas medical procedures, cheap airfare - Let'em quit.

Not real sharp are ya?...LOL

FACT - Health care bill passed. Doctors still on the job.

That defeats then the liberal argument that all people have access to affordable, quality healthcare. Without doctors there is no access other than what they have now, ER service. Typical liberal program of creating another entitlement program without the infrastructure to handle it.

Fact, the healthcare bill doesn't go into effect for four years so your argument that Doctors are still on the job is moot.
 
Fact, the healthcare bill doesn't go into effect for four years so your argument that Doctors are still on the job is moot.

Well apparently they said they would quit if the bill passed.

So your argument that Doctors are still on the job is moot, is moot.
 
No, you have all that wrong, but health care insurance also protects me from paying for you irresponsibility. If you are uninsured, get in an accident, say fall off your roof or from a tree or jump in the shallow end of the lake head first, you will go to the hospital, be treated, hospitalized, cared for and be unable to pay the bill. We will pay it for you one way or the other.

And no, MA requires those who can afford insurance to get it. MA doesn't provide it for them.

If I was uninsured and had an accident I understand personal responsibility and will make arrangement to pay my own bills. Bill me for my expenses and I will make arrangements for a payment plan.

You simply do not understand personal responsibility and thus helped create the mess we have today.
 
Well apparently they said they would quit if the bill passed.

So your argument that Doctors are still on the job is moot, is moot.

The article I posted shows a shortage of doctors right now and there is nothing in this bill that assures that problem won't continue to grow.
 
What is shows is that there is a correlation between costs and wages. I had hoped you were smarter than you appear but again as with most liberals I remain disappointed.

Always with the insults.

What correlation would that be, since they spend less on health care Per capita than we do?
 
What correlation would that be, since they spend less on health care Per capita than we do?

When you compare Costa Rica with the United States you lose credibility.

Tell me why you believe a word this President tells you and what makes you believe this healthcare bill will lower costs and improve the quality?
 
Always with the insults.

What correlation would that be, since they spend less on health care Per capita than we do?

Part of the problem is you don't understand the costs that go into our healthcare system including all the govt. regulations and of course the tax structure on business in this country.

For some reason you want to compare Costa Rica with the United States, why? Do they have the same regulations, tax rates, basic business costs? Why did you pick Costa Rica?
 
When you compare Costa Rica with the United States you lose credibility.

No, its just kind of embarrassing that an undeveloped country can provide affordable health care for all its citizens and the big and mighty America cannot.
Tell me why you believe a word this President tells you and what makes you believe this healthcare bill will lower costs and improve the quality?

Personally, I think UHC would have been the way to go rather than the conservative individual mandate. I see it as a baby step for the socially challenged US. However, there will be some definite improvements in this first baby step. Later, we may take another baby step towards UHC.

" WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR OF ENACTMENT

*Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted.

*Insurers will be barred from excluding children for coverage because of pre-existing conditions.

*Young adults will be able to stay on their parents' health plans until the age of 26. Many health plans currently drop dependents from coverage when they turn 19 or finish college.

*Uninsured adults with a pre-existing conditions will be able to obtain health coverage through a new program that will expire once new insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014.

*A temporary reinsurance program is created to help companies maintain health coverage for early retirees between the ages of 55 and 64. This also expires in 2014.

*Medicare drug beneficiaries who fall into the "doughnut hole" coverage gap will get a $250 rebate. The bill eventually closes that gap which currently begins after $2,700 is spent on drugs. Coverage starts again after $6,154 is spent.

*A tax credit becomes available for some small businesses to help provide coverage for workers.

*A 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1.

WHAT HAPPENS IN 2011

*Medicare provides 10 percent bonus payments to primary care physicians and general surgeons.

*Medicare beneficiaries will be able to get a free annual wellness visit and personalized prevention plan service. New health plans will be required to cover preventive services with little or no cost to patients.

*A new program under the Medicaid plan for the poor goes into effect in October that allows states to offer home and community based care for the disabled that might otherwise require institutional care.

*Payments to insurers offering Medicare Advantage services are frozen at 2010 levels. These payments are to be gradually reduced to bring them more in line with traditional Medicare.

*Employers are required to disclose the value of health benefits on employees' W-2 tax forms.

*An annual fee is imposed on pharmaceutical companies according to market share. The fee does not apply to companies with sales of $5 million or less.

WHAT HAPPENS IN 2012

*Physician payment reforms are implemented in Medicare to enhance primary care services and encourage doctors to form "accountable care organizations" to improve quality and efficiency of care.

*An incentive program is established in Medicare for acute care hospitals to improve quality outcomes.

*The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which oversees the government programs, begin tracking hospital readmission rates and puts in place financial incentives to reduce preventable readmissions.

WHAT HAPPENS IN 2013

*A national pilot program is established for Medicare on payment bundling to encourage doctors, hospitals and other care providers to better coordinate patient care.

*The threshold for claiming medical expenses on itemized tax returns is raised to 10 percent from 7.5 percent of income. The threshold remains at 7.5 percent for the elderly through 2016.

*The Medicare payroll tax is raised to 2.35 percent from 1.45 percent for individuals earning more than $200,000 and married couples with incomes over $250,000. The tax is imposed on some investment income for that income group.

*A 2.9 percent excise tax in imposed on the sale of medical devices. Anything generally purchased at the retail level by the public is excluded from the tax.

WHAT HAPPENS IN 2014

*State health insurance exchanges for small businesses and individuals open.

*Most people will be required to obtain health insurance coverage or pay a fine if they don't. Healthcare tax credits become available to help people with incomes up to 400 percent of poverty purchase coverage on the exchange.

*Health plans no longer can exclude people from coverage due to pre-existing conditions.

*Employers with 50 or more workers who do not offer coverage face a fine of $2,000 for each employee if any worker receives subsidized insurance on the exchange. The first 30 employees aren't counted for the fine.

*Health insurance companies begin paying a fee based on their market share.

WHAT HAPPENS IN 2015

*Medicare creates a physician payment program aimed at rewarding quality of care rather than volume of services.

WHAT HAPPENS IN 2018

*An excise tax on high cost employer-provided plans is imposed. The first $27,500 of a family plan and $10,200 for individual coverage is exempt from the tax. Higher levels are set for plans covering retirees and people in high risk professions. (Reporting by Donna Smith; Editing by David Alexander and Eric Beech) "

FACTBOX-US healthcare bill would provide immediate benefits | Reuters
 
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