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Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

Gray_Fox_86 said:
HA! And most doctors say they are their because they enjoy to help people:rofl
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There's plenty of evidence that that's true, mainly their low pay relative to their education level. Is there any evidence that that's not true?
 
When I read the title of this thread, I was expecting it to say---"graduated in the bottom half of their class".
 
the doctor shortage, or brain drain, has been a huge problem in canadian health care for years

i can find you tens of links from govt websites, the provinces and ottawa in turn promising the citizenry to fix this problem which everyone agrees is serious, going back more than a decade

CBC News - Health - Family doctor shortage major hurdle to health care: study

Addressing doctor shortage crucial, says group - CTV News

CBC.ca - Canada Votes - Why MDs are scarce and what can be done about it

google---canadian wait times alliance

you'll be shocked at what THEY ADMIT TO
 
Erod said:
Pathetic. LOL
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Naaaaaah, that's not pathetic.

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Heard this kind of crap stories before and there is hardly any truth in the 50% figure. If one researches history you will see that there were Bovine Extrement stories like this one back when Medicare was about to be passed. There was also stories back in the 1930's that people would exit the US and never come back since SS was "socilaist". Well I ubdeerstand that only one famly of bufoons left the US and moved to West Schmarkatchland.
Some stories circulated that when LBJ was about to sign the Civil Rights Bill that Racist Yahoos were planning to move to South Africa and live apart from us civilized people and they would live in apartheid !!!
 
This is like those people who claimed they move to Canada if Bush won or crap like that. What would they really do if they quit? Nothing, beg for money on the street. 50% of doctors would not quit if (and I guess now that) health care reform was passed. It's a bluff. They may not like it, but they would most likely be unwilling to give up their lifestyle in order to quit. I'd like to see that sort of resolve in fact, people holding to their words instead of making outrageous comments they'd never back up if push came to shove.
 
The Prof said:
the doctor shortage, or brain drain, has been a huge problem in canadian health care for years

i can find you tens of links from govt websites, the provinces and ottawa in turn promising the citizenry to fix this problem which everyone agrees is serious, going back more than a decade

CBC News - Health - Family doctor shortage major hurdle to health care: study

Addressing doctor shortage crucial, says group - CTV News

CBC.ca - Canada Votes - Why MDs are scarce and what can be done about it

google---canadian wait times alliance

you'll be shocked at what THEY ADMIT TO
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Yes, Canadian doctors who are not by any means underpaid ( earning at least $100 000 a year) tended to go to the US to earn even more money.

The low CAD at the time was also a significant issue

A secondary issue is that during the 80-90's spots in medicals schools were cut to limit the number of doctors being trained
 
Erod said:
Obama is sickening. He pulls a bunch of white coats up on stage as if the medical community is completely "behind him" on this. Obviously, they are not.
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What's sickening is your gullibility and your willingness to post any piece of partisan junk your masters tell you to...

WTF is the Medicus Firm?????

Let me guess, they stand to lose money with health care reform....
 
If some doctors quit, there are plenty of other young MDs from India and other countries who would jump at the chance to replace them.
Most doctors don't want to work in gynecology and obstetrics anymore; it's one of the lowest paid specialties (the other is pediatrics), and they get sued a lot (like, practically every time someone's baby is born with a disability).

The field has been virtually taken over by young Indian and middle-Eastern female doctors.

And you know what? That's just fine with me. :shrug:
They're just as good as the middle-aged white male doctors that used to dominate the field, in my opinion.

If doctors leave, more doctors will replace them. Many would jump at the opportunity. The world's full of promising young med school graduates, and also full of people who would prefer to live in the US than in their country of origin.
End of story.
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
Yes, Canadian doctors who are not by any means underpaid ( earning at least $100 000 a year) tended to go to the US to earn even more money.

The low CAD at the time was also a significant issue

A secondary issue is that during the 80-90's spots in medicals schools were cut to limit the number of doctors being trained
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the links provided were from 2006, 2004 and 2008

there are hundreds more, you want em?

march 17, 2008:

Ad blitz aiming to cure doctor shortage

february 29 (leap year!), 2008:

http://www.canada.com/reginaleaderpost/health/story.html?id=309fc048-8b96-4c21-8812-da393bdfb663

google---wait times alliance canadian health care

you'll be shocked at what they ADMIT to

one can only imagine the pressure applied by the public
 
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Gray_Fox_86 said:
You are 19 and you are a pre-med student. Are you aware how many pre-med students there are? Seriously, kid. You might not even be accepted into med school yet you are calling yourself a "pre-med" student. My best advice is to study something that you like without the plan on becoming a doctor.
Because the chances of you becoming a doctor even with a good GPA are not likely. I have known many associates who studied pre-med and didn't get in, and they were smart too. Perfect GPA, good score on their exams. Still nothing. Of the 13 I know. Four of them got into med school, if you want more advice, I suggesst you study biology & chemistry as a double major. And get a good GPA. Remember the Medical Association of America/American Doctor Association do not want for too many people to study medicine. It's a racket really.
But you won't believe me anyways.
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Pre-med means he's taking the courses necessary to get into med school. There's no point in being condescending to digsbe. He also is considering pharmacy school, he stated in his post. I'm sure he is aware of what is ahead of him in getting into med school, that isn't top secret information...;)
 
As far as the claim of 50% of doctors wanting to quit medicine, that's probably true without this bill too. Many doctors are fed up with the bureaucratic and regulatory overkill they face everyday. The mountains of paperwork, charting, insurance company demands, the list goes on and on. Add on top of that the demands of patients, some of whom would only be too happy to sue them for all they're worth.

Trouble is, 99% of doctors need an income to pay bills, plain and simple. Just like everyone, they have mortgages too.
 
Erod said:
Yeah, that's the attitude we want doctors to have.

Dude, why do you have doctors so much? Get kicked out of med school or something?
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I don't think it's necessarily Doctors that he hates, it's profits that doctors desire that he hates.

Profits are bad! Capitalism is bad! Social justice and an equal share of a commodity... good? :doh
 
The Prof said:
google---wait times alliance canadian health care

you'll be shocked at what they ADMIT to
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In Massacusetts' state-sponsored healthcare plan, the wait time to see a doctor is already 42 days.

Not to mention, they have the highest insurance premiums in the country.
 
The Prof said:
the links provided were from 2006, 2004 and 2008

there are hundreds more, you want em?

march 17, 2008:

Ad blitz aiming to cure doctor shortage

february 29 (leap year!), 2008:

The doctor won't see you now

google---wait times alliance canadian health care

you'll be shocked at what they ADMIT to

one can only imagine the pressure applied by the public
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What is the problem I admitted Canada had a doctor shortage, heck we even have a nursing (RN) shortage. RN in Alberta working 32 hr a week can earn over $60 000. Ones willing to work overtime can make $80 000 and still only work 40 hrs per week

I am saying it is not like the nurses or doctors are generally underpaid, or poorly compensated in other areas

Overall I just dont see more then 5% of US doctors quiting or moving because of this. They just dont have anywhere to go where they will make the same amount of money. No other country will pay them the same (plus they will have to learn a foreign langauge), and there are not that many positions in the US that doctors can do, that would allow for more then at most 5% to quit being doctors
 
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digsbe said:
We shouldn't cut doctors salaries, if anything we should raise them..
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The way it works over here?
You intern for 4 years. You get a registrar position (assistant specialist) Then a specialist position.
Once you get that, you can either open your own fully private practice (bloody expensive and not gaurenteed income) or you can go down one of two routes. You can either charge the state an agreed fee of X amount per public patient which gaurentees you a steady stream of work. Or you can site your offices in a state hospital with all of the staff and facilities paid for by the state and your rent is two or so days a week seeing public patients. You also get covered by state insurance and are entitled to a pension.
 
Erod said:
Will your personal doctor give up his/her practice if Obamacare passes?
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My doctor and I have talked quite a bit about this. He's all for heathcare reform but then....he's one of those "progressives".




LMAO!!

:lol:
 
Partisan said:
Idle threats from all but the ones who should have retired already or fleeced the public enough to be able to afford to retire.....;)
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Its been said that the world's strongest union is the AMA.
I do not really know if this is absolutely true, bit I do know that there is some truth to this.
Reform here is needed, I believe that the practice of medicine will be better after all of the old thinking doctors die off.
BTW, I have not seen any doctors for years and years, the nurse practitioners are doing just fine..
 
Alvin T. Grey said:
The way it works over here?
You intern for 4 years. You get a registrar position (assistant specialist) Then a specialist position.
Once you get that, you can either open your own fully private practice (bloody expensive and not gaurenteed income) or you can go down one of two routes. You can either charge the state an agreed fee of X amount per public patient which gaurentees you a steady stream of work. Or you can site your offices in a state hospital with all of the staff and facilities paid for by the state and your rent is two or so days a week seeing public patients. You also get covered by state insurance and are entitled to a pension.
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I do not know what to think about this..
Is this a good method?
And the patients, the most important ones, how do they endure?
 
missypea said:
My doctor and I have talked quite a bit about this. He's all for heathcare reform but then....he's one of those "progressives".




LMAO!!

:lol:
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My opinion and respect for tea-baggers, conservatives, "Republicans", is dropping daily.
However, these are people and should be accorded a little respect, despite their infantile behavior.
 
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