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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    We shouldn't cut doctors salaries, if anything we should raise them..
    The way it works over here?
    You intern for 4 years. You get a registrar position (assistant specialist) Then a specialist position.
    Once you get that, you can either open your own fully private practice (bloody expensive and not gaurenteed income) or you can go down one of two routes. You can either charge the state an agreed fee of X amount per public patient which gaurentees you a steady stream of work. Or you can site your offices in a state hospital with all of the staff and facilities paid for by the state and your rent is two or so days a week seeing public patients. You also get covered by state insurance and are entitled to a pension.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post

    Will your personal doctor give up his/her practice if Obamacare passes?


    My doctor and I have talked quite a bit about this. He's all for heathcare reform but then....he's one of those "progressives".




    LMAO!!



    I would chat with her when I'm feeling particularly snarky, but I wouldn't ever call her on the phone.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Idle threats from all but the ones who should have retired already or fleeced the public enough to be able to afford to retire.....
    Its been said that the world's strongest union is the AMA.
    I do not really know if this is absolutely true, bit I do know that there is some truth to this.
    Reform here is needed, I believe that the practice of medicine will be better after all of the old thinking doctors die off.
    BTW, I have not seen any doctors for years and years, the nurse practitioners are doing just fine..

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    The way it works over here?
    You intern for 4 years. You get a registrar position (assistant specialist) Then a specialist position.
    Once you get that, you can either open your own fully private practice (bloody expensive and not gaurenteed income) or you can go down one of two routes. You can either charge the state an agreed fee of X amount per public patient which gaurentees you a steady stream of work. Or you can site your offices in a state hospital with all of the staff and facilities paid for by the state and your rent is two or so days a week seeing public patients. You also get covered by state insurance and are entitled to a pension.
    I do not know what to think about this..
    Is this a good method?
    And the patients, the most important ones, how do they endure?

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    My doctor and I have talked quite a bit about this. He's all for heathcare reform but then....he's one of those "progressives".




    LMAO!!

    My opinion and respect for tea-baggers, conservatives, "Republicans", is dropping daily.
    However, these are people and should be accorded a little respect, despite their infantile behavior.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Yup you are correct just as bogus as the "poll" that said that 40% of Republicans would move to Kanada if Obama was elected. Well I did not see a big increase in population in Kanada during this past year. Has anyone else ?
    The Republicans remind me of the "living dead".. or brain dead......so they are not counted in any census in Canada.
    Interesting spelling of "Canada"...with a "K".
    So, maybe they did leave, to be replaced by angry conservatives, racists, tea baggers and Palinites.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Remember the Medical Association of America/American Doctor Association do not want for too many people to study medicine. It's a racket really.
    But you won't believe me anyways.
    I'd prefer not to believe this, myself, Gray Fox..
    But, if so, which I doubt, its a biggie.
    When I say "reform", I mean it, this must be changed...or the truth be known..

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Yeah, let's beat up doctors for what they make, make it harder for them to collect fees due from the goverment (Medicare is a nightmare for them), then hope they'll work extra hard in med school and be even more caring when we're facing colon cancer.
    Surely, this HCR(health care reform) must include provisos for easier collection of money in its 1,800 pages. But, in becoming a wealthy man in medicine...they had best forget this....and learn to deal with paperwork...

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    What is the problem I admitted Canada had a doctor shortage, heck we even have a nursing (RN) shortage. RN in Alberta working 32 hr a week can earn over $60 000. Ones willing to work overtime can make $80 000 and still only work 40 hrs per week

    I am saying it is not like the nurses or doctors are generally underpaid, or poorly compensated in other areas

    Overall I just dont see more then 5% of US doctors quiting or moving because of this. They just dont have anywhere to go where they will make the same amount of money. No other country will pay them the same (plus they will have to learn a foreign langauge), and there are not that many positions in the US that doctors can do, that would allow for more then at most 5% to quit being doctors
    thank you

    a 5% reduction in the number of doctors while at the same time expanding by 31 million the number of folks covered by insurance would be devastating to those of us who currently have plans we like

    and the 5% figure is really just off the top of your head, which is fine, you're not passing it off as anything other

    the point is---a 22% reduction in doctors pay, or the forcing of them to treat large numbers of medicaid patients they don't really want to make their careers about, whether the right thing to do or wrong, would surely be a significant downward pressure on the number of folks willing to stay in the biz or eager to begin the gig in the first place

    i think you underestimate the number of caregivers who, simply out of disgust, quit the affair entirely, either to enter earlier or partial retirement, either to change careers, get into teaching, become a cpa, there are hundreds of possibilities

    i personally don't believe 50% will leave but i do feel the disincentives in this bill against people becoming doctors or remaining in the field are significant

    just like canada, where the doc shortage has been, apparently, a huge problem for a long, long time

    as for languages---my sainted mother very recently had a tia, or mini stroke

    she's doing great! today

    but in doing a search for geriatric specialists out here in california where i want to move her so i can take care of her i discovered that of the 8 geriatric specialists at john muir (which is less than 5 minutes from my home), 4 spoke foreign tongues----pharsee, vietnamese, tagalog and hindi

    at kaiser, my provider, gosh, just about every doc i've seen has been foreign born, which is exciting

    my mother loves indian doctors, she feels they are very "intuitive"

    you know how moms are, once they get an idea in their heads

    thanks for your civility and class, lord

    and give my best, sincerely, to your mother

    mothers are precious, the pompous prof's topmost priority

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    We've had a nurses shortage off and on for decades here in the states. Some claim we have a doctors shortage now. Was that because of our health care system?

    I doubt very seriously doctors will leave a profession that pays as well as theirs does because of this bill. Nor do I think less will train to become doctors. I know fear mongering is the popular tactic of the hour, but the profession still pays very well and all jobs have headaches.

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