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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Never said it wasn't a penalty. You don't have to be convicted to incur a penalty.

    Main Entry: pen·al·ty
    1 : the suffering in person, rights, or property that is annexed by law or judicial decision to the commission of a crime or public offense





    You can call it a fine all day long, but they wrote it, along with other provisions of the bill, into the tax code for a reason.

    Notwithstanding your assertion, be sure to let me know when it's actually proven to be unconstitutional.
    Your own definition says that you must be convicted.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

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    Your own definition says that you must be convicted.
    Main Entry: pen·al·ty
    1 : the suffering in person, rights, or property that is annexed by law or judicial decision to the commission of a crime or public offense


    I'm going to assume you were in a hurry and simply missed the or.
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

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    Main Entry: pen·al·ty
    1 : the suffering in person, rights, or property that is annexed by law or judicial decision to the commission of a crime or public offense


    I'm going to assume you were in a hurry and simply missed the or.
    Are you claiming then, that a person can be annexed? And that that is what the health care bill is doing?

    Please lay out your case in full, so I can understand which part of the definitions you are trying to use.

    And no, I didn't miss the or

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    Are you claiming then, that a person can be annexed? And that that is what the health care bill is doing?

    Please lay out your case in full, so I can understand which part of the definitions you are trying to use.

    And no, I didn't miss the or
    Annexed by law means, as a condition or attached to.

    The law says if you don't obtain insurance the penalty is a tax.

    The penalty is a condition of or attached to the law, no need for a conviction or a fine.

    I gave both definitions so that one could see that a penalty could be one or the other, not tied to one specific definition.

    Hope that clears things up for ya. Have a good one...
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Idle threats from all but the ones who should have retired already or fleeced the public enough to be able to afford to retire.....
    Fleece my ass.

    Almost a decade of expensive schooling, if they open a practice they have to buy expensive equipment and keep it updated. Then if you make an error you get you ass sued off, or you settle because the time and cash don't warrant the court battle.

    These are not idle threats.
    They can leave practicing medicine and go into other medical areas where the people are not slaves to the state.

    I hope they do.
    The first to pay the high price with their lives will be the Kanuckistani's.
    If they want to come down and take advantage of our system... I say they can go to hell. America and Americans first and only in government rationed care.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    There are no catastrophic shortage of doctors in neither Britain nor France. More doctors could always be needed but people in Europe are not dying because there are not enough doctors. Italy and Cuba has the highest number of doctors compared to their population.

    The poll in the OP simply don't reflect the reality of a public health care system.
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Regicollis View Post
    There are no catastrophic shortage of doctors in neither Britain nor France. More doctors could always be needed but people in Europe are not dying because there are not enough doctors. Italy and Cuba has the highest number of doctors compared to their population.

    The poll in the OP simply don't reflect the reality of a public health care system.
    These systems may have worked when the economies were booming in the 60's to 80's and population young, the doctors abundant and well paid, but as the population ages, the government looks to doctors as state slaves... fewer people will choose the profession.

    You need to bone up on the facts. Europe's socialist systems are in in serious decline.

    Doctor shortage is threat to care, warns BMA
    Doctor shortage is threat to care, warns BMA | Society | The Guardian
    Their system is so shabby the ernment passed a law for the length of time patients could wait.
    The hospitals left patients in ambulances outside the hospital to comply.
    Which didn't solve the problem, and added another; a shortage of ambulances.

    Switzerland, Belgium, The Netherlands, Sweden, Germany all have known shortages of doctors practicing medicine.

    France too... hell... in 2003 14,000 people died in a heat wave as Doctors were on vacation. Great system.
    The French health service, regarded as the world's best, is falling apart, a petition signed by 286 of its most senior hospital doctors claims. Waiting lists, almost unknown in France five years ago, are becoming common, and there is a severe shortage of doctors and nurses.
    French health service is falling apart, say doctors - Europe, World - The Independent
    With Baby Boomers coming of age, it will be awful.

    Denmark:
    But Denmark does have some problems to contend with, not least the fact that GPs are getting older — more than half are older than 55 — and they are tiring of their obligations to local after-hours co-operatives. While younger doctors with mortgages are more than willing to take on the load, Dr Gredal says there are not enough of them in some areas.

    “In my local council there are 175 GPs and we are forced almost to do after hours. I have to do 20 more hours [a month] after hours to make the system work.”
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    In the US:

    The Coming U.S. Doctor Shortage - BusinessWeek

    In 1997, lawmakers placed a cap on the number of medical residencies—hospital training required for all doctors—in order to contain costs under Medicare, which pays for most of these training slots. Today the U.S. is in the grip of a nationwide doctor shortage, brought on by an aging population demanding access to specialists. Medical schools have stepped up to the plate, announcing plans to add 3,000 new positions for first-time students by 2018. But because the residency cap is still in place, these efforts may not be sufficient.

    The health-care overhaul is certain to compound the problem by flooding doctors' offices with newly empowered medical consumers. "Do the math," says Steven M. Safyer, president and CEO of Montefiore Medical Center in New York. "You give millions more people insurance, and it adds up to a much worse shortage."
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