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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There is so much waste, fraud, and abuse at the govt. level yet you continue to support anything they say. Why aren't they paying? What gives anyone the right to skip out on a bill. If the taxpayer is funding someone else's healthcare bill that they can afford to pay where is your outrage?

    Sounds to me like a typical liberal solution to a problem, force everyone to buy insurance because you cannot manage your own business. I don't expect you to hold your position long if you don't know how to collect from those that can afford but skip out on their bills. Seems to me you have found it easier to bill the taxpayer than to go after payment. Typical liberalism.
    You're dodging. Stay focused. Nothing wrong with fighting fraud and abuse while tackling this problem.

    And if people don't have enough money, and don't have insurance, they really can't pay. Even if they can pay some, over years, which isn't likely, it wouldn't fix the problem. Today, before reform, we are paying for them. That's the bottom line.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're dodging. Stay focused. Nothing wrong with fighting fraud and abuse while tackling this problem.

    And if people don't have enough money, and don't have insurance, they really can't pay. Even if they can pay some, over years, which isn't likely, it wouldn't fix the problem. Today, before reform, we are paying for them. That's the bottom line.
    This comes from a hardly conservative news outlet. Seems they understand the problem a lot better than you who claims to be in the business. It is you that needs to be focused. There aren't 46 million people in this country that cannot afford insurance and the fact is ER's are overcrowded now with people that have insurance but cannot get a doctor's appointment. Liberal policies are going to make that worse as they always do

    Most ER patients have some health insurance - Health care- msnbc.com

    By the way you don't have a clue as to what the bottomline line is

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    hmm... on this topic im all over the place with my opinions..

    my context:
    my dad passed away last year at the age of 66(god rest his soul)..

    he was denied health insurance coverage on himself since his heart attack at age 19, until my mothers insurance company accidentally allowed him some level of at around age 60..

    yes it wthout a doubt in their view that it was not supposed to be, to which they tried very hard to remove him, often denying benefits when they could find the means to relate it to his heart..

    IMO, he was the epitome of human determination and the perfect example the finacially burdened, unspoken majority. the true working class man that never took a handout.. we were freaking dirt poor by any standard.
    who wants to hire a person with all those risks after all.. so any job was good enough for him to keep food on the table.
    trudging on as life dealt him 3 congestive heart failures, 2 strokes and eventually 2 brain hemorrhages, the second of which blinded him, took his speech.
    this and the insurance company's death panel, lead to a decision by my siblings and my mother to allow him to pass on..

    to make matters worse, when we requested that we be able to take him fom the hospital 3hrs away and bring him home to die, the insurance company quickly responded with a "so your releasing us of all obligations if you want to take him out of the hospitals care?".. well yea.. couldnt afford to rent rooms and he should be able to spend his last days at home..
    from that point on, it was approx.$200 per day to have a morphine available and the goodness of nursing friends to help when needed.

    the strongest man i ever knew was brought down by a faulty heart valve that could have been replaced while in his prime and lived a long, deserving life.

    we found out later that his employer(the very township we lived in), up to the day they forced him to retire, was allowed and did buy life insurance policies with the dept. manager as the beneficiary.. essentially betting his life against him. what kind of BS is that..

    so... if this HC bill has a means to put an end to such injustice then good.. though i realize there is always a dark and self-serving agenda when politicians are involved..

    as to the alleged costs of this HC bill, reduce funding from the taxpayer paid research grants.. http://www.citizen.org/documents/ACFDC.PDF
    i firmly believe these funds are mostly squandered and what developments do come out of it are kept and marketed for profit by these corporations to "recoup" their alleged develoment expenses.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    This comes from a hardly conservative news outlet. Seems they understand the problem a lot better than you who claims to be in the business. It is you that needs to be focused. There aren't 46 million people in this country that cannot afford insurance and the fact is ER's are overcrowded now with people that have insurance but cannot get a doctor's appointment. Liberal policies are going to make that worse as they always do

    Most ER patients have some health insurance - Health care- msnbc.com

    By the way you don't have a clue as to what the bottomline line is
    Again, that doesn't matter. The fact is those who use it and can't pay cost us. Your article does not address this at all.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, that doesn't matter. The fact is those who use it and can't pay cost us. Your article does not address this at all.
    Nor will you address the issue, Let me yell it at you, as the article listed one in five Americans will use the ER at least once during the year which is about 60 million Americans. HOW MANY OF THOSE CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY FOR THEIR ER USAGE?? Until you answer that question nothing else matters. My bet is you have no interest in getting the facts and like all liberals are looking for someone else to pay for your lack of business skills and responsibility.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Nor will you address the issue, Let me yell it at you, as the article listed one in five Americans will use the ER at least once during the year which is about 60 million Americans. HOW MANY OF THOSE CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY FOR THEIR ER USAGE?? Until you answer that question nothing else matters. My bet is you have no interest in getting the facts and like all liberals are looking for someone else to pay for your lack of business skills and responsibility.
    I've given you a number of those who use who are either uninsured or under insured, which means they don't have the resources to pay for it. If you read the links, you will those who could afford it without insurance don't use the ER.

    So, you have been answered repeatedly.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I've given you a number of those who use who are either uninsured or under insured, which means they don't have the resources to pay for it. If you read the links, you will those who could afford it without insurance don't use the ER.

    So, you have been answered repeatedly.
    Why do you buy the term underinsured? Where is that defined and how do you know the finances of those classified in that category?

    I gave you first hand information. I ran a 200 million dollar business, offered insurance to all employees including part time, never paid minimum wage, paid over 80% of the cost of insurance and less than 50% of the people, most self classified as invincible, participated. You need to find another cross to carry.

    What makes you such an expert on the finances of others? This is the liberal arrogance which led to the passage of this multi trillion dollar POS that is going to cost more than intended, do less than intended, and never solve a problem. Just another example of spending IN THE NAME of compassion but not getting actual compassionate spending.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Why do you buy the term underinsured? Where is that defined and how do you know the finances of those classified in that category?

    I gave you first hand information. I ran a 200 million dollar business, offered insurance to all employees including part time, never paid minimum wage, paid over 80% of the cost of insurance and less than 50% of the people, most self classified as invincible, participated. You need to find another cross to carry.

    What makes you such an expert on the finances of others? This is the liberal arrogance which led to the passage of this multi trillion dollar POS that is going to cost more than intended, do less than intended, and never solve a problem. Just another example of spending IN THE NAME of compassion but not getting actual compassionate spending.
    underinsured:

    Person not adequately covered for a particular loss or damage, or who fails to meet a coinsurance requirement.

    underinsured definition

    This study estimates that nearly sixteen million people ages 19–64 were underinsured in 2003. Underinsured adults were more likely to forgo needed care than those with more adequate coverage and had rates of financial stress similar to those of the uninsured. Including adults uninsured during the year, 35 percent (sixty-one million) were under- or uninsured. These findings highlight the need for policy attention to insurance design that considers the adequacy of coverage.

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    Using respondents’ estimates of out-of-pocket medical care expenses, plan deductibles, and income, we classified them as underinsured if they were insured all year but reported at least one of three indicators: (1) Medical expenses amounted to 10 percent of income or more; (2) among low-income adults (below 200 percent of the federal poverty level), medical expenses amounted to at least 5 percent of income; and (3) health plan deductibles equaled or exceeded 5 percent of income.17

    Insured But Not Protected: How Many Adults Are Underinsured? -- Schoen et al., 10.1377/hlthaff.w5.289 -- Health Affairs

    A reasonable definition is not that hard to come by.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    underinsured:

    Person not adequately covered for a particular loss or damage, or who fails to meet a coinsurance requirement.

    underinsured definition

    This study estimates that nearly sixteen million people ages 19–64 were underinsured in 2003. Underinsured adults were more likely to forgo needed care than those with more adequate coverage and had rates of financial stress similar to those of the uninsured. Including adults uninsured during the year, 35 percent (sixty-one million) were under- or uninsured. These findings highlight the need for policy attention to insurance design that considers the adequacy of coverage.

    (snip)

    Using respondents’ estimates of out-of-pocket medical care expenses, plan deductibles, and income, we classified them as underinsured if they were insured all year but reported at least one of three indicators: (1) Medical expenses amounted to 10 percent of income or more; (2) among low-income adults (below 200 percent of the federal poverty level), medical expenses amounted to at least 5 percent of income; and (3) health plan deductibles equaled or exceeded 5 percent of income.17

    Insured But Not Protected: How Many Adults Are Underinsured? -- Schoen et al., 10.1377/hlthaff.w5.289 -- Health Affairs

    A reasonable definition is not that hard to come by.
    Again, you miss the point by design as it is your desire to make this country something that it never was intended to be. What causes a person to be underinsured? How do you know what someone else's personal finances are?

    You are so willing to take a textbook definition and not get involved in real world issues. Millions of Americans can afford insurance but CHOOSE not to purchase it. How many of those are classified as underinsured? How many people are second income earners for a household but CHOOSE not to purchase health insurance because another family member has insurance. Are those classified as uninsured or under insured?

    You simply are showing your arrogant liberal side again and totally ignore the problem facing this country which is a bloated, out of control Federal Govt. that continues to want to social engineer. too bad you don't have the same outrage over the way out govt.operates as you do with the way you PERCEIVE business to operate. There is no doubt in my mind that as a Dept. head you will either learn about business or you will lose your job, probably the latter.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    just a question to the both of you.. conservative and boo.. (since you two are the most active with basically polar opposite views)

    do you believe any of the numbers provided by either side of the spectrum are real? (honest answers please)

    i for one most certainly take any politically motivated statistic(or for that matter any "statistic" relative to cost of govt.) with a grain of salt and then some..


    now for more of my $0.02 on the alleged current and future cost of healthcare..
    in my relatively unknowing armchair opinion..
    to help pay for the free healthcare provided now and in the future to those that are uninsured by choice or otherwise, who are actually using, or have used in the prior calendar year, "free" medical services, they and anyone accepting public aid/welfare/subsidies, should be denied any tax return up to the assessed cost of services rendered.

    sadly, im sure that proposal or anything remotely similar isnt part of the HC bill/fleecing.. (as implied earlier, im really a mixed bag on this subject )

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