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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Picaro View Post
    Being illiterate, he also obviously doesn't know those other places already have all the docs they need.
    BTW. not only do unsolicited personal attacks make you look more the fool than you normally do, they are also reportable and could get you an infraction, thread ban, or just plain banned.
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Another dumbass troll. How 'Special'.

    Let's do a survey.

    How many people know that 'private' health insurance is a monopoly in most states, many with only one underwriter for the entire state, and few states have more than two? Sound 'competitive' to anyone?

    How many people here know that most people covered 'private' insurance' have no real choice to chose any doctor they want? The vast majority are just given a list of 'pre-approved' doctors, and going outside of the 'system' means paying out of your own pocket anyway?

    How people know that a large percentage of 'private' employer provided insurance is essentially worthless, after the deductibles, etc., and if you come down with a major illness, like cancer, you'll be dropped as soon as you miss a payment, or sooner if you forget to mention you had acne once when you were 12, or some other 'falsification' on your medical history, anything they can use and hope you die before it gets to court, if ever?

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    BTW. not only do unsolicited personal attacks make you look more the fool than you normally do, they are also reportable and could get you an infraction, thread ban, or just plain banned.
    You mean like your baiting? Go ahead, report mine. You're just a troll, anyway. I saved your post, so going back and editing won't do a thing for you.
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Picaro View Post
    You mean like your baiting? Go ahead, report mine. You're just a troll, anyway.
    Really?

    A Troll?

    Have you read much of what I post?

    And what baiting did I do to provoke your attack?

    Is it possible that because I claim to be conservative you just automatically have to call me illiterate?

    Like I said… Partisan hackery.
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    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Really?

    A Troll?
    Yes, obviously ...

    Have you read much of what I post?
    I've read all I need to, which are the ones directed at me and another poster. Did you win a Blue ribbon in the 'Retarded Infant' category once or something?

    And what baiting did I do to provoke your attack?
    See my last sentence.

    Is it possible that because I claim to be conservative you just automatically have to call me illiterate?
    I didn't call you an illiterate, I called you another dumbass troll, but obviously I should have, since it fits; you have a reading disability, likely self-inflicted and a great example of how social promotion is ruining the education system.

    Like I said… Partisan hackery.
    Then go away.
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Picaro View Post
    Yes, obviously ...



    I've read all I need to, which are the ones directed at me and another poster. Did you win a Blue ribbon in the 'Retarded Infant' category once or something?



    See my last sentence.



    I didn't call you an illiterate, I called you another dumbass troll, but obviously I should have, since it fits; you have a reading disability, likely self-inflicted and a great example of how social promotion is ruining the education system.



    Then go away.
    Hey Tucker....... see why I wanted to keep the points down?

    This guy is a perfect candidate for me to call an ass hole....... but I won't.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Picaro View Post
    The gravy train is over for some of them, because they can't just just send off some list of outrageous charges that go unquestioned any more.
    That never has been the case. Insurance companies have always reimbursed at what were considered "reasonable and necessary" charges. Medicare is typically a better reimbursement source than private insurance companies. Frivolous lawsuits have caused the cost of malpractice insurance to soar, and the costs of running a physician office business has increased. The vast majority of doctors I know and associate with are very honest and ethical businessmen, and are not "send[ing] off some list of outrageious charges".

    I will be interested to see how all the whiners here will react when they can't find a decent doctor to take care of themselves and their families. Doctors are highly trained, highly skilled, and their services should not be taken for granted, and besides that, they give a **** about humanity and they put up with alot of crap that other people wouldn't.
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    This topic has been discussed in the past, so it can hardly be breaking news.

    I still maintain doctors are splitting on partisan lines on this one, because its a partisan issue, the 50-50 divergence resembles typical partisan splits, and doctors as a industry have mixed political opinions.

    Furthermore, I don't think half of doctors can even quit their job if they want to maintain anything like the standard of living they've come to enjoy or pay off the massive debts from medical school. Maybe some of the older ones could retire early.

    Besides that, conjuring up a new generation of doctors would be relatively easy with the right legislation. Hospital competition for customers is pretty subdued; the industry finds it easy to cooperate to achieve mutually beneficial economical outcomes. Organizations in the industry have several measures for limiting the number of applicants accepted to med school, (at least in part) to make their services more valuable.
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    We can make it an option, sure. But for every year they get medical education paid for by tax dollars they should spend a year working in a public hospital for cheaper than a private doctor would earn. Which is fair, I think, since they won't have to worry about loans and interest. I think that would severely cut down on healthcare costs and increase our population that possess medical training.
    How exactly would it save money? If the program covers $50k of a student's tuition but requires them to work for one year at $150k less than they would otherwise earn, no student would take it. If the program covers $50k of a student's tuition but requires them to work for one year at $50k less than they would otherwise earn, the student might take it, but it wouldn't save any money.

    Quote Originally Posted by Picaro View Post
    I don't know about other states, but in Texas you can go through med school free, yes, free, if you're qualified.
    Got a link to that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Picaro View Post
    I never said a thing about private insurance. Before Medicare and Medicaid came along, in the 1960's or so, doctors mostly got paid in cash or kind, and even today, if a doctor or a dentist knows you have no insurance and can only pay cash, or like me, pays cash anyway, their bill magically becomes a lot smaller. Not many people had 'private insurance', except for management and some workers under a union contract.
    All of which is astonishingly unrelated to your claim that doctors were struggling back then as compared to now.

    Not that many are refusing; some are just whining because Medicare no longer just automatically pays them whatever they want,
    Then you must not know many doctors. I know plenty across all fields who are refusing Medicare/aid patients or at least placing limits on how many they take. But hey, don't take my word for it:

    As Medicaid Payments Shrink, Patients Are Abandoned - NYTimes.com

    and if you think many were not padding their bills, I doubt you will ever get anything straight,
    Ah, so Doctors were only making a profit because they're corrupt. Interesting.

    especially if you think Medicare has been, or is now, 'barely profitable'.
    Not sure that you understood what I was saying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Picaro View Post
    Let's do a survey.

    How many people know that 'private' health insurance is a monopoly in most states, many with only one underwriter for the entire state, and few states have more than two?
    Hopefully not many people "know" that, because that's a bold-faced lie.

    http://hcfan.3cdn.net/648e0302462c448dd3_6om6b909w.pdf

    -There is not a single state in this country that only has one underwriter. -There is not a single state in this country that only has two underwriters.
    -In 40 of the 50 states, the top two underwriters combined cover less than 80% of the market.
    -In 18 states, the largest underwriter doesn't even have a bare majority.

    How many people here know that most people covered 'private' insurance' have no real choice to chose any doctor they want? The vast majority are just given a list of 'pre-approved' doctors, and going outside of the 'system' means paying out of your own pocket anyway?
    No one with a functioning brain doesn't know that. Of course, to those of us who are looking at this rationally rather than as a rant, such a factoid is useless without actually considering what that really means in practice. When I entered my zip code into my insurer's website to find a general practitioner near me, the system maxed out, only showing the first 500 options within 25 miles. How ever will I survive with such a paucity of choices?

    How people know that a large percentage of 'private' employer provided insurance is essentially worthless, after the deductibles, etc., and if you come down with a major illness, like cancer, you'll be dropped as soon as you miss a payment, or sooner if you forget to mention you had acne once when you were 12, or some other 'falsification' on your medical history, anything they can use and hope you die before it gets to court, if ever?
    If you don't think it's worthwhile, don't get insurance. Nobody is forcing you to. Well, except for Obama.
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