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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And we pay for those who choose not to buy insurance. This is in part why a mandate is a good idea (a republican one at that).

    Again, you're not really getting my argument. There is a problem, a serious one, that has been with us for a long time. Problem solving doesn't mean anyone has a crisis mentality.
    Why do we pay for people without insurance? Hospitals should be billing those people and going after assets. In your world there apparently is no personal responsibility and no consequences for poor choices.

    Healthcare is NOT a crisis, the unemployment rate is. 85% of the people in this country have insurance with millions more able to purchase but choosing NOT to buy insurance. You again overreact like all liberals do and support this POS legislation because of the way you feel.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

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    My biases? Where does personal responsibility lie in your world? My claims have been substantiated, the highest expense in Greece is healthcare and that is what you want to make here as well. As a wage slave you have no clue how to run a business nor do you apparently understand personal responsibility which healthcare is.
    The greatest single expense in the US is health care, also. It accounts for over 17% of the GDP, more than any other single expense. It is also a higher percentage of the GDP than in any other country in the world, including Greece. We will have to face the fact that our health care system is not sustainable sooner or later.
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

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    My biases? Where does personal responsibility lie in your world? My claims have been substantiated, the highest expense in Greece is healthcare and that is what you want to make here as well. As a wage slave you have no clue how to run a business nor do you apparently understand personal responsibility which healthcare is.
    No, you have not sbstantiated anything. Even if if your claime were true (we actually top the GDP list) .

    Current estimates put U.S. health care spending at approximately 16% of GDP, second highest to East Timor (Timor-Leste) among all United Nations member nations.[7] The Health and Human Services Department expects that the health share of GDP will continue its historical upward trend, reaching 19.5% of GDP by 2017.[35][36] Of each dollar spent on health care in the United States 31% goes to hospital care, 21% goes to physician services, 10% to pharmaceuticals, 8% to nursing homes, 7% to administrative costs, and 23% to all other categories (diagnostic laboratory services, pharmacies, medical device manufacturers, etc.[30]



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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

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    Why do we pay for people without insurance? Hospitals should be billing those people and going after assets. In your world there apparently is no personal responsibility and no consequences for poor choices.

    Healthcare is NOT a crisis, the unemployment rate is. 85% of the people in this country have insurance with millions more able to purchase but choosing NOT to buy insurance. You again overreact like all liberals do and support this POS legislation because of the way you feel.
    Listen carefully, we've been paying for people without insurance and people under insured for a long time. Why do you want to continue to do so?

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

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    The greatest single expense in the US is health care, also. It accounts for over 17% of the GDP, more than any other single expense. It is also a higher percentage of the GDP than in any other country in the world, including Greece. We will have to face the fact that our health care system is not sustainable sooner or later.

    Whose expense, individual or govt? Eliminate a lot of govt. employees and taxpayer costs will go down?

    How does this bill lower healthcare costs? Name for me any govt. program that has done what it promised to do at a lower cost?

    Our debt isn't sustainable either but that doesn't stop Obama from spending. CBO says now that this bill will increase the deficits so where are the savings?

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Listen carefully, we've been paying for people without insurance and people under insured for a long time. Why do you want to continue to do so?
    How do you know that WE are paying for people without insurance? you make that claim a lot especially when confused with facts. Millions of people can pay for their own healthcare and hospitals are billing them every day and getting payment. No taxpayer is paying for those fees.

    In addition billions are spent annually for illegals, 600,000 in my own country last year. Eliminate those costs, eliminate your misconceptions about taxpayers paying for people who can afford insurance and are paying their own bills and you will find this isn't the crisis you claim it to be.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Listen carefully, we've been paying for people without insurance and people under insured for a long time. Why do you want to continue to do so?
    "Your" President is making you look foolish. "never let a good crisis go to waste" is his agenda and "good" people like you continue to buy the rhetoric.



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    WASHINGTON (AFP) – The US government suffered a wider-than-expected budget deficit of 82.69 billion dollars in April, the Treasury Department said Wednesday.

    It was nearly four times the deficit chalked up a year earlier and the largest ever recorded in April.

    Most analysts had expected the April deficit, the 19th consecutive month of federal red ink, to be about 52 billion dollars.

    The latest data brought the deficit for the first seven months of the 2010 fiscal year ending September 30 to 799.68 billion dollars, slightly lower than 802.9 billion dollars during the same period last year.

    Revenue rose in April to 245.27 billion dollars from March but expenditure also rose, to 327.96 billion dollars, the Treasury figures showed.

    "The federal government normally runs a surplus during April because of personal income-tax payments but is running a deficit now because of the recovery from the recession and the policy response," said Augustine Faucher, director of macroeconomics research for Moody's Economy.com.

    The White House had warned that the deficit for the 2010 fiscal year could swell to 1.555 trillion dollars, eclipsing the prior year's record of 1.415 trillion dollars due to massive spending to stimulate recovery from the worst recession in decades.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

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    Whose expense, individual or govt?
    Both, of course.
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    Eliminate a lot of govt. employees and taxpayer costs will go down?
    Yes, of course. Eliminate government employees, and costs go down. And?


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    How does this bill lower healthcare costs? Name for me any govt. program that has done what it promised to do at a lower cost?
    That's the unfortunate thing about health care reform. There probably isn't anything in the bill that will actually lower costs. Given opposition from the opposing party to anything that is proposed, and the special interests handing out money to keep the status quo, government hasn't been able to pass any meaningful reform, at least nothing that will rein in costs.

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    Our debt isn't sustainable either but that doesn't stop Obama from spending. CBO says now that this bill will increase the deficits so where are the savings?

    The deficits would increase with or without the bill that was just passed. It was not, as Biden said, a "big **** deal." It was not much of a reform. What we need is a universal insurance package that pays for catastrophic costs, but lets the individuals pay for most expenses.

    One of the big reasons for the deficit in the first place is cost of health care. We simply can't afford to keep paying 17% and rising of the GDP, neither the public sector nor the private can afford it, and the costs keep rising.
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Dittohead not!;1058745087]Both, of course.


    Yes, of course. Eliminate government employees, and costs go down. And?
    And you get back to more of that vision that our Founders had, small limited central govt. responsible for defending this country and that is about it.


    That's the unfortunate thing about health care reform. There probably isn't anything in the bill that will actually lower costs. Given opposition from the opposing party to anything that is proposed, and the special interests handing out money to keep the status quo, government hasn't been able to pass any meaningful reform, at least nothing that will rein in costs.
    Exactly, there isn't anything in this bill that lowers healthcare costs. Govt. is incapable of lowering costs on anything due to its nature of politicians wanting to keep their jobs instead of doing their jobs. Govt. social engineering always costs more than intended, does less than intended, and never has solved a social problem.


    The deficits would increase with or without the bill that was just passed. It was not, as Biden said, a "big **** deal." It was not much of a reform. What we need is a universal insurance package that pays for catastrophic costs, but lets the individuals pay for most expenses.
    The nature of politicians is to grow their power and that is what this bill does. I believe healthcare insurance is a personal responsibility just like actual healthcare. Being a personal responsibility including paying for their own expenses.

    One of the big reasons for the deficit in the first place is cost of health care. We simply can't afford to keep paying 17% and rising of the GDP, neither the public sector nor the private can afford it, and the costs keep rising.

    I keep hearing the 17% number but no substantiation of that number since we are a free enterprise, capitalistic economy. Since 20% of GDP is Govt, I don't know where that 17% total expense for healthcare comes from. With 20% of the economy govt. spending and consumption the total spent on healthcare is going to be a high percentage of a lower base.

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    Tell the doctors quitting, I have made an underground railroad for them to escape to freedom to Canada. Several more have joined me here, still keeping them under my floorboards.

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