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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

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    Again, the present system is unsustainable.

    Also, Morality Games is exactly correct. We can't continue to pay for the uninsured and under insured. You are only being responsible when you have enough cash to handle any emergency or enough insurance to handle. If you do not, you're not being responsible.
    Right, WE cannot continue to pay for the uninsured nor should we. You have yet to define the number of those you are truly concerned about. Why should the taxpayer fund insurance for people who can afford insurance but choose not to?

    You really shouldn't be talking about big words like responsible. Why do you believe you are responsible for someone else's health insurance and if you really believe that how many others are you funding?

    stop with the BS and think for a change. You obviously have never run a business, you obviously are a wage slave, you obviously think only with your heart and not your brain. Stop with the emotional rhetoric and actually deal in facts.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

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    Right, WE cannot continue to pay for the uninsured nor should we. You have yet to define the number of those you are truly concerned about. Why should the taxpayer fund insurance for people who can afford insurance but choose not to?

    You really shouldn't be talking about big words like responsible. Why do you believe you are responsible for someone else's health insurance and if you really believe that how many others are you funding?

    stop with the BS and think for a change. You obviously have never run a business, you obviously are a wage slave, you obviously think only with your heart and not your brain. Stop with the emotional rhetoric and actually deal in facts.
    We've been paying for them all along. And yes, I have given you the numbers and the fact check on those numbers. And I did so for both the uninsured and the under insured.

    As for responsibility, I'm a Christian and as such do believe in helping my fellow man and woman and child. However, that isn't the point. I'm looking for a way to make my care more affordable. As a country, we've decided we won't turn people away. As long as that is the case, we will have those who can't pay treated. The only way that can be off set is to charge more for services and material, hence costs go up. Insurance companies have to contend with the rising costs, so they up premiums and limit services, which leads to more things not being paid for, and costs rising more, which leads to . . . . . .

    Get the picture yet?

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We've been paying for them all along. And yes, I have given you the numbers and the fact check on those numbers. And I did so for both the uninsured and the under insured.

    As for responsibility, I'm a Christian and as such do believe in helping my fellow man and woman and child. However, that isn't the point. I'm looking for a way to make my care more affordable. As a country, we've decided we won't turn people away. As long as that is the case, we will have those who can't pay treated. The only way that can be off set is to charge more for services and material, hence costs go up. Insurance companies have to contend with the rising costs, so they up premiums and limit services, which leads to more things not being paid for, and costs rising more, which leads to . . . . . .

    Get the picture yet?
    Yep, I get it it, spend someone else's money not realizing it is yours. If you are indeed a Christian then how are you helping your fellow man? I will put my charitable giving up against yours any day and that is the true indication of just how much of a Christian you really are.

    Yours is one of blaming everyone else instead of yourself for personal failures. You always point out the victims yet do nothing to truly help them from stop being a victim. Yours is one of creating further dependence, not ever solving a problem.

    Costs are rising but as you continue to ignore nothing in this bill lowers actual costs of healthcare. yours is one of buying rhetoric as you believe lowering actual premiums is actually lowering costs. That is naive, gullible, and being very poorly informed. This bill creates access but does nothing to lower costs.

    met with my doctor yesterday to handle my bronchitist and we talked about the healthcare bill. His firm has stopped taking Medicare and Medicaid because of govt. mandated payment schedules which does nothing to lower the costs of what he is paying. So tell me how that improves quality and lowers costs?

    So remain naive and gullible when it comes to actual costs of healthcare.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

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    Yep, I get it it, spend someone else's money not realizing it is yours. If you are indeed a Christian then how are you helping your fellow man? I will put my charitable giving up against yours any day and that is the true indication of just how much of a Christian you really are.

    Yours is one of blaming everyone else instead of yourself for personal failures. You always point out the victims yet do nothing to truly help them from stop being a victim. Yours is one of creating further dependence, not ever solving a problem.

    Costs are rising but as you continue to ignore nothing in this bill lowers actual costs of healthcare. yours is one of buying rhetoric as you believe lowering actual premiums is actually lowering costs. That is naive, gullible, and being very poorly informed. This bill creates access but does nothing to lower costs.

    met with my doctor yesterday to handle my bronchitist and we talked about the healthcare bill. His firm has stopped taking Medicare and Medicaid because of govt. mandated payment schedules which does nothing to lower the costs of what he is paying. So tell me how that improves quality and lowers costs?

    So remain naive and gullible when it comes to actual costs of healthcare.
    First, you're paying now and it doesn't seem to bother you at all. Second, you need more than your doctor who we can't verify. Please present something new due to this bill. If you can't, you may be the one who's gullible.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    First, you're paying now and it doesn't seem to bother you at all. Second, you need more than your doctor who we can't verify. Please present something new due to this bill. If you can't, you may be the one who's gullible.
    Yes, it bothers me because there doesn't seem to be a concerted effort to collect from those who can pay but choose not to pay. More importantly to me however is the $600,000 that may county paid last year because of care given to illegals.

    There is nothing new in this bill, illegals are illegal and nothing changes that reality in spite of words in the bill to that extent.

    You have yet to prove that anything in this bill is going to lower actual healthcare costs but that doesn't stop you from supporting something that isn't even in effect yet

    You seem so interested in me proving something yet ignoring that everything in this bill is speculation as well. Why don't you demand that your politicians back up their claims with actual facts supporting their projections? Naw, that would mean that you would have to demand from them something you are incapable of accepting.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

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    Yes, it bothers me because there doesn't seem to be a concerted effort to collect from those who can pay but choose not to pay. More importantly to me however is the $600,000 that may county paid last year because of care given to illegals.

    There is nothing new in this bill, illegals are illegal and nothing changes that reality in spite of words in the bill to that extent.

    You have yet to prove that anything in this bill is going to lower actual healthcare costs but that doesn't stop you from supporting something that isn't even in effect yet

    You seem so interested in me proving something yet ignoring that everything in this bill is speculation as well. Why don't you demand that your politicians back up their claims with actual facts supporting their projections? Naw, that would mean that you would have to demand from them something you are incapable of accepting.
    Well, it calls for personal responsibility, calling for those who can afford insurance to have it. And it helps cover those who don't. That's new. And it's good. And it helps.

    BTW, you can call anything new as speculative. There's no such thing as a certainty in any new bill. So, your criticism on this lacks any real meat. Also, what we don know most certainly is that doing nothing, as we have for decades, has led to higher costs with reduced coverage. Seems foolish to support the status quo to me.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Sorry to interrupt... but did anyone find those doctors that quit? I can't find them here in Canada, guess they didn't flee your socialist Marxist USSA

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, it calls for personal responsibility, calling for those who can afford insurance to have it. And it helps cover those who don't. That's new. And it's good. And it helps.

    BTW, you can call anything new as speculative. There's no such thing as a certainty in any new bill. So, your criticism on this lacks any real meat. Also, what we don know most certainly is that doing nothing, as we have for decades, has led to higher costs with reduced coverage. Seems foolish to support the status quo to me.
    Words, words, and more words, something you just love to hear. Only in your world is making more regulations on top of existing regulations good.

    There are laws on the books now that aren't being enforced so you answer is create more laws. None in this bill other than access is different from laws already in place. Nothing in this bill lowers actual healthcare costs, you know it and I know it but only one of us admits it.

    Higher costs with reduced coverage is not being addressed by this bill. The opt out provision allows people to pay a fine which means that the chronic ill will be left and what does that do to costs?

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

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    Words, words, and more words, something you just love to hear. Only in your world is making more regulations on top of existing regulations good.

    There are laws on the books now that aren't being enforced so you answer is create more laws. None in this bill other than access is different from laws already in place. Nothing in this bill lowers actual healthcare costs, you know it and I know it but only one of us admits it.

    Higher costs with reduced coverage is not being addressed by this bill. The opt out provision allows people to pay a fine which means that the chronic ill will be left and what does that do to costs?
    No, making effective regulations are good.

    BTW, words are how we communicate. I don't see anything wrong with using them. And yes, higher costs and reduced coverage are being addressed. With more people able to pay, there should be less mark up, which in turn reduces the need for insurance companies to raise prices and reduce services. I wouldn't expected it over night, but it should help.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, making effective regulations are good.

    BTW, words are how we communicate. I don't see anything wrong with using them. And yes, higher costs and reduced coverage are being addressed. With more people able to pay, there should be less mark up, which in turn reduces the need for insurance companies to raise prices and reduce services. I wouldn't expected it over night, but it should help.
    Making effective regulations? Before touting the success of this legislation, don't you think it ought to go into effect first? History is the guide but history has no place in your world.

    As a wage slave, you are hardly an expert on anything let alone how business works and what drives it. Lower costs to you mean what you pay, not what someone else has to pay. That is selfish which is really what liberalism is all about.

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