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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Objective Voice;1058715429]I watched the health care summit and read the transcript and was very concerned about the numbers as well. But here's what outraged me more on that matter:

    That even while Rep. Ryan uttered the words I was angered that Senate Republicans sat on their hands the entire time throughout the health care debate and did little to nothing to help bring those cost estimates down. So, while you are sitting there blaming Democrats for passing a health care bill that may very well be bloated with "false" cost-saving measures, I blame the Republicans more for working harder to bring discredit a sitting President than to actually accomplish meaningful reform. That to me is a far bigger disappointment than any financial "gimmick" the Democrats could pull.
    The number of uninsured due to an inability to pay has been overstated badly and during these economic times, healthcare is way down the list of necessities. Democrats totally controlled Congress and no Republican idea was even considered.

    Obama is discrediting himself not the Republicans. Look I don't care for either party but what Obama is doing isn't in the best interest of the people but is in his own best interest.


    Do I care about the overall cost? Yes, absolutely! But I care more that the health care system gets closer and closer to being the very best system it can be. IMO, this health care reform legistlation is a good first-step. It's not the best, but it moves this nation in the right direction which is a far cry better than I give Republicans credit for when they held power. For, if health care reform was so important to them as they said even originally under former Pres. Clinton, why then didn't they make it part of their Republican mandate and do something about it when they held power? And don't give me this notion that Sen. Reid and company thrawrted former Pres. GW Bush's attempts to change the system when he was in office because the Republicans had control during his first few years in office. If Pres. Obama can enact health care reform in just over his first year in office certainly GW Bush could have done the same during his first 2-years if it were truly a priority for his party. But it was not. And yet they knew Medicare was eating away at this nation's budget; but they passed an unfunded Medicare, Part-D entitlement anyway.
    Republicans never had a filibuster proof Congress and the first year in office we had 9/11. healthcare today is not even at the top of the list of concerns in this country. 85-90% of the people in this country have healthcare thus it isn't a concern to them. Why is it such a concern to you? Please don't tell me you care about those who don't have healthcare.

    You claim this is a good first step? When the govt. spends this amount of money it better be more than a good first step. That comment just goes to show you have no concept as to how much money a trillion dollars is.

    Medicare and SS are supposed to be self funding but Congress put those funds into the General Fund where the money has been spent. That would be the case any program implemented by the govt. They are looking for funds to spend and healthcare funding is just another govt. slush fund.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Without real immigration reform, I guess they'll continue to do so. Of course, I don't know if that aspect has been address in the health care reform bill. But since you say you've read it perhaps you can enlighten us...
    Illegal immigration is not mentioned in the healthcare bill.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Conserv,

    I don't think you can wrap your mind around a trillion dollars either (let alone alot of the BS you're spouting). So, we're even.

    As far as a filibuster-proof Congress while GWB was in office, if the Republican ideas were as sound and as responsible as you're making them out to be they wouldn't need one now would they?

    What's in health care reform for me? A few good things, ie., allowing my children btwn the ages of 18-26 who aren't in college to come under my health insurance, eliminating pre-existing conditions, capping the annual limit on out-of-pocket expenses, stopping insurance companies from disqualifying me without a suitable appeals process, changing the way certain procedures and/or treatments are coded so that insurance companies don't have to pay for a "covered" expense, and above all standardizing basic insurance packages. There are others, but those were my top picks.

    And yes, Medicare and SS have been gov't slush funds for decades. (But...pssst...that started under Reagon...but don't tell anyone because Reps are suppose to be the responsible political party.)
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Illegal immigration is not mentioned in the healthcare bill.
    All the more reason to get to work on meaningful immigration reform now, isn't it? Kinda goes hand-in-hand with...dare I say it...

    ...health care reform...

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Illegal immigration is not mentioned in the healthcare bill.
    Wrong again.

    Subpart B--Eligibility Determinations

    SEC. 1411. PROCEDURES FOR DETERMINING ELIGIBILITY FOR EXCHANGE PARTICIPATION, PREMIUM TAX CREDITS AND REDUCED COST-SHARING, AND INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY EXEMPTIONS.

    (a) Establishment of Program- The Secretary shall establish a program meeting the requirements of this section for determining--

    (1) whether an individual who is to be covered in the individual market by a qualified health plan offered through an Exchange, or who is claiming a premium tax credit or reduced cost-sharing, meets the requirements of sections 1312(f)(3), 1402(e), and 1412(d) of this title and section 36B(e) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 that the individual be a citizen or national of the United States or an alien lawfully present in the United States;

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Well, there you go...

    Thanks, misterman for pointing this out.

    Of course, the question raised was addressing ER access by illegals. While the subsection you're highlighted does make it clear that illegal aliens will not become part of HIEs without verifying their legal immigration status, I think it fair to say that many illegal aliens and poor U.S. citizens will continue to use ERs as walk-in clinics until something is done about that little caveat. Still, mandatory insurance and the language you're provided in health care reform on top of sound immigration reform/enforcement will go a long way to stopping this practise.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 04-27-10 at 05:06 PM.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    While the subsection you're highlighted does make it clear that illegal aliens will not become part of HIEs without verifying their legal immigration status, I think it fair to say that many illegal aliens and poor U.S. citizens will continue to use ERs as walk-in clinics until something is done about that little caveat.
    Yes, I think that's fair to say. I was just responding to Conservative's claim that it wasn't in the law.

    (On a better day, I would have added "you lie!" to my response to him.)
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    And I thank you for correcting him either way.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    And I thank you for correcting him either way.
    Don't worry, he is about to forget he ever said it wasn't in the law and say it's too weak instead.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sounds like I am dealing with another brainwashed kid here.
    This coming from the guy that can't find 1 liberal that said what he thinks all liberals believe...

    but of course, I'm the brainwashed one, lol.

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