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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, if I'm wrong, we're no worse off then we were and we can continue to work on it. If we did nothing, the problem only gets worse with only the hyperbolic name calling left to rule the day.

    This is at least the third time I've answered this you know.
    Wrong, the money for this POS will have been spent and costs shifted to the states. Are you really this naive?

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm impressed that you think this rebuts that something was better than nothing.

    Thats not what I think, nor is it what I said.

    It really doesn't. Republicans had to actually get involved

    What do you think those 5 Repub bills were? They were how they got involved

    and seek compromise, meaning that they could not expect everything they wanted to be the final bill. If they really wanted to do something, they could have done something when they were in power. Can you show me exactly what efforts they took while controlling congress? When they had both the congress and the white house?

    Remember that health care reform only became a crisis after Obama was elected.

    Again, they became the minority party. It happens from time to time, and they have a real obligation to fight for their principles. However, the topic wasn't new, all sides stated their positions, some republican ideas were adopted, and we were left with passing something or passing nothing. That was what we were left with. So, while republicans did throw some stuff up late hoping it might stick in some minds, their stuff throwing really wasn't part of the work. They really did not roll up their sleeves and try to craft something.

    So, I quite disagree with your assessment.
    Remember that health care reform only became a crisis after Obama was elected.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wrong, the money for this POS will have been spent and costs shifted to the states. Are you really this naive?
    Money is being spent regardless. Seriously, check out the numbers if nothing is passed?

    http://dpc.senate.gov/docs/sr-111-1-82.html

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    Remember that health care reform only became a crisis after Obama was elected.
    No, that's not true. The discussion has gone on for decades. This was not the first effort. People get fired up about it nearly every election, the problem comes to the forefront, and then the industry and republicans start the socialism scare (remember Harry and Louise?), and it fails. Anyone who thinks it is new is either uninformed (maybe very young) or in some form of denial.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    Read my post 205 above, it debunks this statement.
    BTW Cholla, it is what you said. I quoted it a above in case you forgot.

    And the five bills were not working with democrats but trying to muddy the waters. Working with them is working to present one bill, together.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Money is being spent regardless. Seriously, check out the numbers if nothing is passed?

    http://dpc.senate.gov/docs/sr-111-1-82.html
    Then address the costs associated with healthcare and solve the problem. This doesn't address costs nor improve quantity or quality. You willingly buy the rhetoric and ignore history and what is actually in the bill. Human behavior is ignored in any liberal program.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

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    Then address the costs associated with healthcare and solve the problem. This doesn't address costs nor improve quantity or quality. You willingly buy the rhetoric and ignore history and what is actually in the bill. Human behavior is ignored in any liberal program.
    It's a start. More people insured means less having services they can't pay for which reduces or slows growth of costs. Merely having more people with access improves care some. Again, a start. More needs to be done, and with something started, we can work to improve it.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's a start. More people insured means less having services they can't pay for which reduces or slows growth of costs. Merely having more people with access improves care some. Again, a start. More needs to be done, and with something started, we can work to improve it.

    Does a trillion dollars mean anything to you? It wasn't that long ago when the entire budget of the United States wasn't a trillion dollars.

    Today the entire defense budget of the United States is 700 billion and that services the role of the govt. You simply haven't a clue and buy what you are told. Think, Boo, think, if you are capable of doing that.

    Stop with the its a start. spending a trillion dollars is indeed a start, a start towards the entire takeover of the healthcare industry.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Does a trillion dollars mean anything to you? It wasn't that long ago when the entire budget of the United States wasn't a trillion dollars.

    Today the entire defense budget of the United States is 700 billion and that services the role of the govt. You simply haven't a clue and buy what you are told. Think, Boo, think, if you are capable of doing that.

    Stop with the its a start. spending a trillion dollars is indeed a start, a start towards the entire takeover of the healthcare industry.
    You might note the debt was a long time in the making. Didn't just happen today. And the CBO says this will reduce the deficit. Regardless, if you do nothing, the deficit still grows, as it has been, in part due to health care costs.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You might note the debt was a long time in the making. Didn't just happen today. And the CBO says this will reduce the deficit. Regardless, if you do nothing, the deficit still grows, as it has been, in part due to health care costs.
    The CBO takes its direction from its boss, the Congress, and shifting costs to the states doesn't lower costs thus isn't deficit neutral.

    Read what the Govt. says about the CBO estimates

    Health Insurance US Health Insurance Statistics – How Many Really are Uninsured?

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