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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Exactly. Better may not be perfect, but it is better and it is a start in the right direction.
    Once again, you buy what you are being told. Have you even considered the lies that this Administration has told you in your thought process? How about the history of Federal Govt. social engineering?

    You want badly to believe in what this Administration has told you in spite of its short record. What bothers me more is how you ignore history.

    I asked you to review the MA situation which is the model for this bill and you ignore that history like most arrogant liberals. You believe you can do it better. Guess what, after you fail there will be another liberal to pick up the cause and promote more spending.

    Trillion means nothing to you nor does the fact that we don't have the money to pay for this bill and shifting costs to the states doesn't lower the costs of the programs.

    Not sure what it is about liberal programs that create such passion but one thing for sure liberals never consider the consequences of their own failures. Let me remind you of one, the Great Society has cost trillions and has not solved any problems. Liberals will tell you that things would have gotten worse without that spending. No one can prove that statement just like no one can prove that this bill will lower healthcare costs in the future.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Once again, you buy what you are being told. Have you even considered the lies that this Administration has told you in your thought process? How about the history of Federal Govt. social engineering?

    You want badly to believe in what this Administration has told you in spite of its short record. What bothers me more is how you ignore history.

    I asked you to review the MA situation which is the model for this bill and you ignore that history like most arrogant liberals. You believe you can do it better. Guess what, after you fail there will be another liberal to pick up the cause and promote more spending.

    Trillion means nothing to you nor does the fact that we don't have the money to pay for this bill and shifting costs to the states doesn't lower the costs of the programs.

    Not sure what it is about liberal programs that create such passion but one thing for sure liberals never consider the consequences of their own failures. Let me remind you of one, the Great Society has cost trillions and has not solved any problems. Liberals will tell you that things would have gotten worse without that spending. No one can prove that statement just like no one can prove that this bill will lower healthcare costs in the future.
    No, I believe the truth. I've seen clearly where we are at without reform. Been following that for decades. All the problems you fear, or seem to fear, exist without reform, which for some reason doesn't seem to bother you much.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I believe the truth. I've seen clearly where we are at without reform. Been following that for decades. All the problems you fear, or seem to fear, exist without reform, which for some reason doesn't seem to bother you much.
    You have seen but apparently do not understand? You don't understand the costs associated with healthcare so how does this bill help lower those costs?

    Unlike you I solve problems, not prolong them or push them down the road. This bill does nothing to truly address healthcare costs. MA is an example which you ignore. Why?

    What happens if you are wrong?

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    If 50% of the Doctors quit, how are we going to staff the death panels.
    We don't need doctors on those death panels as liberals always know what is best for everyone else, just staff them with devowed liberals.

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    joke Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    If 50% of the Doctors quit, how are we going to staff the death panels.

    With cadavers?

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Exactly. Better may not be perfect, but it is better and it is a start in the right direction.
    Read my post 205 above, it debunks this statement.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    Read my post 205 above, it debunks this statement.
    There are other plans out there as you posted but the media gave those plans no press and thus to an Obama supporter they don't exist.

    Notice how you can never get a liberal to answer a direct question? Liberals are willing to buy what they are told by another liberal regardless of the fact that history shows failure of all liberal social program spending unless a liberal defines success as growing entitlements and programs that cost more, do less, and never go aways as a success.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There are other plans out there as you posted but the media gave those plans no press and thus to an Obama supporter they don't exist.

    Notice how you can never get a liberal to answer a direct question? Liberals are willing to buy what they are told by another liberal regardless of the fact that history shows failure of all liberal social program spending unless a liberal defines success as growing entitlements and programs that cost more, do less, and never go aways as a success.

    I have only been on this forum a short time, but, yes I did notice this. I take it to mean that they have nothing further to contribute to the conversation.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    I keep hearing people say that there was no alternative, it was this plan or nothing.
    How can that be? there were 5 seperate Republican bills in the house last summer before the townhall meetings. My rep. John Shaddag had his own plan. I saw it with my own eyes last August.

    This statment is demonstratedly false, and probably designed to inflame passions.
    I'm impressed that you think this rebuts that something was better than nothing. It really doesn't. Republicans had to actually get involved and seek compromise, meaning that they could not expect everything they wanted to be the final bill. If they really wanted to do something, they could have done something when they were in power. Can you show me exactly what efforts they took while controlling congress? When they had both the congress and the white house?

    Again, they became the minority party. It happens from time to time, and they have a real obligation to fight for their principles. However, the topic wasn't new, all sides stated their positions, some republican ideas were adopted, and we were left with passing something or passing nothing. That was what we were left with. So, while republicans did throw some stuff up late hoping it might stick in some minds, their stuff throwing really wasn't part of the work. They really did not roll up their sleeves and try to craft something.

    So, I quite disagree with your assessment.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You have seen but apparently do not understand? You don't understand the costs associated with healthcare so how does this bill help lower those costs?

    Unlike you I solve problems, not prolong them or push them down the road. This bill does nothing to truly address healthcare costs. MA is an example which you ignore. Why?

    What happens if you are wrong?
    Again, if I'm wrong, we're no worse off then we were and we can continue to work on it. If we did nothing, the problem only gets worse with only the hyperbolic name calling left to rule the day.

    This is at least the third time I've answered this you know.

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