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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, its just kind of embarrassing that an undeveloped country can provide affordable health care for all its citizens and the big and mighty America cannot.


    Personally, I think UHC would have been the way to go rather than the conservative individual mandate. I see it as a baby step for the socially challenged US. However, there will be some definite improvements in this first baby step. Later, we may take another baby step towards UHC.

    " WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR OF ENACTMENT

    *Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted.

    *Insurers will be barred from excluding children for coverage because of pre-existing conditions.

    *Young adults will be able to stay on their parents' health plans until the age of 26. Many health plans currently drop dependents from coverage when they turn 19 or finish college.

    *Uninsured adults with a pre-existing conditions will be able to obtain health coverage through a new program that will expire once new insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014.

    *A temporary reinsurance program is created to help companies maintain health coverage for early retirees between the ages of 55 and 64. This also expires in 2014.

    *Medicare drug beneficiaries who fall into the "doughnut hole" coverage gap will get a $250 rebate. The bill eventually closes that gap which currently begins after $2,700 is spent on drugs. Coverage starts again after $6,154 is spent.

    *A tax credit becomes available for some small businesses to help provide coverage for workers.

    *A 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1.

    WHAT HAPPENS IN 2011

    *Medicare provides 10 percent bonus payments to primary care physicians and general surgeons.

    *Medicare beneficiaries will be able to get a free annual wellness visit and personalized prevention plan service. New health plans will be required to cover preventive services with little or no cost to patients.

    *A new program under the Medicaid plan for the poor goes into effect in October that allows states to offer home and community based care for the disabled that might otherwise require institutional care.

    *Payments to insurers offering Medicare Advantage services are frozen at 2010 levels. These payments are to be gradually reduced to bring them more in line with traditional Medicare.

    *Employers are required to disclose the value of health benefits on employees' W-2 tax forms.

    *An annual fee is imposed on pharmaceutical companies according to market share. The fee does not apply to companies with sales of $5 million or less.

    WHAT HAPPENS IN 2012

    *Physician payment reforms are implemented in Medicare to enhance primary care services and encourage doctors to form "accountable care organizations" to improve quality and efficiency of care.

    *An incentive program is established in Medicare for acute care hospitals to improve quality outcomes.

    *The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which oversees the government programs, begin tracking hospital readmission rates and puts in place financial incentives to reduce preventable readmissions.

    WHAT HAPPENS IN 2013

    *A national pilot program is established for Medicare on payment bundling to encourage doctors, hospitals and other care providers to better coordinate patient care.

    *The threshold for claiming medical expenses on itemized tax returns is raised to 10 percent from 7.5 percent of income. The threshold remains at 7.5 percent for the elderly through 2016.

    *The Medicare payroll tax is raised to 2.35 percent from 1.45 percent for individuals earning more than $200,000 and married couples with incomes over $250,000. The tax is imposed on some investment income for that income group.

    *A 2.9 percent excise tax in imposed on the sale of medical devices. Anything generally purchased at the retail level by the public is excluded from the tax.

    WHAT HAPPENS IN 2014

    *State health insurance exchanges for small businesses and individuals open.

    *Most people will be required to obtain health insurance coverage or pay a fine if they don't. Healthcare tax credits become available to help people with incomes up to 400 percent of poverty purchase coverage on the exchange.

    *Health plans no longer can exclude people from coverage due to pre-existing conditions.

    *Employers with 50 or more workers who do not offer coverage face a fine of $2,000 for each employee if any worker receives subsidized insurance on the exchange. The first 30 employees aren't counted for the fine.

    *Health insurance companies begin paying a fee based on their market share.

    WHAT HAPPENS IN 2015

    *Medicare creates a physician payment program aimed at rewarding quality of care rather than volume of services.

    WHAT HAPPENS IN 2018

    *An excise tax on high cost employer-provided plans is imposed. The first $27,500 of a family plan and $10,200 for individual coverage is exempt from the tax. Higher levels are set for plans covering retirees and people in high risk professions. (Reporting by Donna Smith; Editing by David Alexander and Eric Beech) "

    FACTBOX-US healthcare bill would provide immediate benefits | Reuters

    This program costs trillions and why do you believe anything in it will work? We don't need this POS to solve the basic problems we have with healthcare yet for some reason you want to buy the rhetoric.

    You are embarrassed? Do you have health insurance? What are you embarrassed about, the cost of living, quality of live, opportunities for individual wealth creation, per capita income? You don't appear to know a lot about the benefits of living in this country vs. living in Costa Rica.

    It is hardly a baby step spending trillions. We currently have Medicaid for the poor, Medicare for the elderly, SCHP for the children, and private insurance which cover 90 percent of the people in this country. So it is acceptable for you to have this healthcare bill for those 10 percent not covered?

    Doesn't make a lot of sense to the majority in this country, nor does it make any sense to try to pay for it by Medicare cuts and taxes on businesses that will prevent business from hiring. There are over 15 million Americans unemployed and my bet is they would prefer a job to higher taxes on employers which will prevent hiring.

    You want badly to believe what you are told but the fact is history isn't on your side.
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

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    This program costs trillions and why do you believe anything in it will work? We don't need this POS to solve the basic problems we have with healthcare yet for some reason you want to buy the rhetoric.

    It is hardly a baby step spending trillions. We currently have Medicaid for the poor, Medicare for the elderly, SCHP for the children, and private insurance which cover 90 percent of the people in this country. So it is acceptable for you to have this healthcare bill for those 10 percent not covered?

    Doesn't make a lot of sense to the majority in this country, nor does it make any sense to try to pay for it by Medicare cuts and taxes on businesses that will prevent business from hiring. There are over 15 million Americans unemployed and my bet is they would prefer a job to higher taxes on employers which will prevent hiring.

    You want badly to believe what you are told but the fact is history isn't on your side.
    It will save us money in the long run, in the billions. The alternative was to continue with the status quo which tripled health care costs in the last decade. Its not perfect, its just better than what we had.
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It will save us money in the long run, in the billions. The alternative was to continue with the status quo which tripled health care costs in the last decade. Its not perfect, its just better than what we had.
    How do you know it will save us money in the long run, what is it exactly in that bill that lowers actual healthcare costs and improves quality? You really don't understand business, do you? Where is tort reform, govt. regulations, tax rates, and competition addressed in this bill?

    the problem as I see it the number a trillion dollars doesn't mean anything to you nor does actually improving quality. There is a doctor shortage in this country now and millions of insured go to the emergency rooms for their healthcare because they cannot get appontments. Have you done any reading about MA healthcare costs? Why haven't costs gone down there and emergency use there increased when everyone has healthcare insurance?

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Half half the Doctors resigned yet? A quarter? A dozen? Thought not.
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It will save us money in the long run, in the billions. The alternative was to continue with the status quo which tripled health care costs in the last decade. Its not perfect, its just better than what we had.

    I keep hearing people say that there was no alternative, it was this plan or nothing.
    How can that be? there were 5 seperate Republican bills in the house last summer before the townhall meetings. My rep. John Shaddag had his own plan. I saw it with my own eyes last August.

    This statment is demonstratedly false, and probably designed to inflame passions.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Maybe these doctors need to go ahead and quit cause they are suppose to be in it to help people
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How do you know it will save us money in the long run, what is it exactly in that bill that lowers actual healthcare costs and improves quality? You really don't understand business, do you? Where is tort reform, govt. regulations, tax rates, and competition addressed in this bill?

    the problem as I see it the number a trillion dollars doesn't mean anything to you nor does actually improving quality. There is a doctor shortage in this country now and millions of insured go to the emergency rooms for their healthcare because they cannot get appontments. Have you done any reading about MA healthcare costs? Why haven't costs gone down there and emergency use there increased when everyone has healthcare insurance?
    You know something? The same thing was said about the banking industry over the last decade.
    How did that work out again...
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    You know something? The same thing was said about the banking industry over the last decade.
    How did that work out again...
    If you give the fat kid the key to the sweet shop, don't be surprised when the chocolate goes missing.
    There is a shortage of doctors now as documentation shows. ER usage is up by the insured yet for some reason things are going to get better when you cut their Medicare payments? Please explain to me why the MA program which is the model for this bill has caused costs to increase and is close to bankruptcy?

    Notice how Catawba ran from the questions?

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It will save us money in the long run, in the billions. The alternative was to continue with the status quo which tripled health care costs in the last decade. Its not perfect, its just better than what we had.
    Exactly. Better may not be perfect, but it is better and it is a start in the right direction.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    If 50% of the Doctors quit, how are we going to staff the death panels.
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