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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    I note that conservatives, at the very least, have ceased doubting that Barack Obama has both the means and the motivation to effect "change".


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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    so·cial·ism   /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Show Spelled[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Show IPA
    –noun
    1.a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
    The government has not taken over production and distribution, so no socialism there.


    2.procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
    3.(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
    The HCR is less collectivist than social programs implemented by our forefathers upheld to be in keeping with the Constitution for decades now, so no socialism there either.
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The government has not taken over production and distribution, so no socialism there.
    Exactly. People should be more accurate with their language.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Exactly. People should be more accurate with their language.
    Ahhhh, but it's sooooooo scary sounding.

    I may be a little older than some, but 'back in day' that scary word was communism. It was used in the same fashion, with the same alarmist urgency that it would consume us. (Does anybody remember the bomb shelter building phase?)

    As they say ' the more things change....' LOL

    It too lost it's effectiveness when folks realized that it was just extremists spouting their doomsday crap.
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Ahhhh, but it's sooooooo scary sounding.

    I may be a little older than some, but 'back in day' that scary word was communism. It was used in the same fashion, with the same alarmist urgency that it would consume us. (Does anybody remember the bomb shelter building phase?)

    As they say ' the more things change....' LOL

    It too lost it's effectiveness when folks realized that it was just extremists spouting their doomsday crap.
    I think that is what disappoints me most, . . . the lack of originality. Seriously, I would appreciate some imagination.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Exactly. People should be more accurate with their language.
    Fine.

    The HC reform forces to buy insurance.

    Still don't sound so sexy.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The government has not taken over production and distribution, so no socialism there.

    Originally Posted by cholla
    so·cial·ism   /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Show Spelled[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Show IPA
    –noun
    1.a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.


    The HCR is less collectivist than social programs implemented by our forefathers upheld to be in keeping with the Constitution for decades now, so no socialism there either.
    I don't think that you can make a good argument that Obama is not advocating for the control of the american economy with the federal govt owning banks, car companies and now on the way to controling the health care industry.

    Using only part of the definition of a word in your answer does not change the original meaning.

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Physician Survey: Health Reform?s Potential Impact on Physician Supply and Quality of Medical Care



    This deserves to be in Breaking News in my opinion because it is obviously topical, the results are startling, and the New England Journal of Medicine isn't exactly a politically-charged blog site. There are many references to this article today, but I thought it best to post the survey itself.

    Will your personal doctor give up his/her practice if Obamacare passes?

    Obama is sickening. He pulls a bunch of white coats up on stage as if the medical community is completely "behind him" on this. Obviously, they are not.

    America, this is what the radical left looks like. Like much?
    So at this point, gotta ask buddy, where are all these doctors that are quitting in droves?

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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    You clearly do not know human behavior if you can't see how working for no profit also reduces the desire to excel in a given field. If all doctors worked for the same pay, it's a guarantee it will also reduce the number of 'best of the best' doctors in the overall health care system.

    Human behavior dictates that if given incentives to work, typically you will work harder to excel and earn the rewards that go along with it. It's called the Power of Free Enterprise, and the Pilgrims first learned about this after settling in the New World.

    If you remove the incentives it also removes the desire to excel. Why? If no matter how hard you work or what you do, you earn the same wage as every other doctor. You can begin to imagine the medical field will slowly decline as it gets worse and worse over time, and the it will plateau as average quality health care. That's a fact; socialism has never worked in the history of its existence. And it won't work this time, either.
    It's simply not true that better doctors earn more money. Doctors who do more procedures, and do procedures that are better-reimbursed, earn more money. But more is not always better when it comes to things like surgery, and better-reimbursed procedures are not necessarily the most cost-effective.
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    Re: Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So at this point, gotta ask buddy, where are all these doctors that are quitting in droves?
    Many of them are now what we know as "hospitalists". These are basically doctors who contract with hospitals to see patients who are hospitalized, but they don't have a private practice. It cuts out the overhead costs of running a private practice.
    Some of them will join a specialty group to provide on-call services or perform specific services for that specialty group (as an example, I have a friend who was a family practice physician for about 20 years. He now works for a cardiology group taking night call and reading EKG's for them).
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