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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I generally agree, but in this case, costs are going sky-high. Why is that?
    Because of the govt and insurance. Get them out of the picture, like they are with elective/cosmetic surgeries, and you'll see the massive difference it makes. As I've mentioned numerous times (and have others), the cosmetic industry has ever increasing technology and ever decreasing prices. And, the govt and insurance industries aren't involved with them. Pure free market competition where the PATIENT is the sole purchaser.
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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    People are insulated from the true costs of their health care by their insurance coverage, which drives up cocts becaus eif the consumer doestn care what the tru costs are, then the person providing the goods and services will raise his prices.

    Remove this insulation and costs will fall.
    Because insurance companies don't care what the costs are? This is completely backwards. Insurance companies can actually keep costs lower because they have more bargaining power than all of their consumers individually. Now there is a big difference between that and single payer, where the government can set the price wherever it wants. Because that would be a disaster too. Unsurprisingly, the market does a good job here.
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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Because of the govt and insurance. Get them out of the picture, like they are with elective/cosmetic surgeries, and you'll see the massive difference it makes. As I've mentioned numerous times (and have others), the cosmetic industry has ever increasing technology and ever decreasing prices. And, the govt and insurance industries aren't involved with them. Pure free market competition where the PATIENT is the sole purchaser.
    You want to get rid of insurance altogether? What if someone gets really sick and can't afford their bills? I can see them getting out of routine care, but there's a reason for insurance.

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    People are insulated from the true costs of their health care by their insurance coverage, which drives up cocts becaus eif the consumer doestn care what the tru costs are, then the person providing the goods and services will raise his prices.

    Remove this insulation and costs will fall.
    Really? So insurance companies just pay whatever it costs without care?

    No.

    This is the free market, NOW. It's driven costs up. You want the government to step in and ban insurance or something? That's not a free market.

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by gopman View Post
    Because insurance companies don't care what the costs are? This is completely backwards.
    Not so much. They obviously care to a degree, but are able to pay more because they have access to money from premiums of people that they dont pay for. Because they can pay more, providers can charge more.

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You want to get rid of insurance altogether? What if someone gets really sick and can't afford their bills? I can see them getting out of routine care, but there's a reason for insurance.
    they make payments, just like they did before insurance came along. Insurance is only there to make the insurance companies money.

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Over the next 10 years, the healthcare bill will cost $940 billion to reduce the deficit $138 billion. Where do they get the money? Fees and excise taxes.
    You realize that means it costs $940, but saves $1,078, for a net savings of $138, right?

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    they make payments, just like they did before insurance came along. Insurance is only there to make the insurance companies money.
    Do you understand how insurance works?

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Do you understand how insurance works?
    Yes, used to work for them.

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You realize that means it costs $940, but saves $1,078, for a net savings of $138, right?
    No I didn't but that would make for a more effective argument. My bad.

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