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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Lies and propoganda:
    Speaking of lies and propaganda:

    Originally Posted by disneydude
    Perhaps its because I believe that others should have access to healthcare and that maybe healthcare shouldn't be a luxury that only an elite few should have.
    An elite few? This truthless hyperoble is born of desperation.
    If there are 30M uninsured in the country -- the number of people The Obama's plan is supposed to cover -- then >270,000,000 people have the luxury of health care.
    270,000,000 Americans are 'the elite few'?

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Speaking of lies and propaganda:



    An elite few? This truthless hyperoble is born of desperation.
    If there are 30M uninsured in the country -- the number of people The Obama's plan is supposed to cover -- then >270,000,000 people have the luxury of health care.
    270,000,000 Americans are 'the elite few'?
    I was referring to the fact that if we keep on with the current system and its exponential rise in healthcare costs, it won't take long until healthcare is enjoyed by only the elite few.
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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I was referring to the fact that if we keep on with the current system and its exponential rise in healthcare costs, it won't take long until healthcare is enjoyed by only the elite few.
    Yes... which is truthless hyperoble is born of desperation.

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes... which is truthless hyperoble is born of desperation.
    Except for the fact that the numbers would support what I am saying.
    You do understand don't you, the exponential rise in the cost of healthcare over the last decade?
    You understand, do you not the fewer and fewer people in this country are able to afford healthcare?

    Or are you clinging to those right-wing talking points?
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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You do understand don't you, the exponential rise in the cost of healthcare over the last decade?
    And I guess you understand the advancements that have been made over the last decade... You know.. the ones that were brought about by the "evil" free markets.... that are certain NOT happen under Government run healthcare?

    You seriously want to rollback all the advancements in medicine gained over the past decade?
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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Except for the fact that the numbers would support what I am saying.
    Show this to be true, to the extent that you claim

    You do understand don't you, the exponential rise in the cost of healthcare over the last decade?
    You understand, do you not the fewer and fewer people in this country are able to afford healthcare?
    Funny that you say this....
    And then, this.
    Or are you clinging to those right-wing talking points?
    Such irony.

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Show this to be true, to the extent that you claim


    Funny that you say this....
    And then, this.

    Such irony.
    You must be living on the moon if you have no idea what is going on with healthcare in this country. Even most GOP supporters admit that the healthcare system is in a crisis mode, even if they disagree with the healthcare bill. I guess others just stick their head in the sand.

    From the Unites States Department of health and human services:
    National Healthcare Expenditures
    Excerpt:
    From 1970 to 2008, health care spending in the United States is projected to increase from $74.9 billion to $2.4 trillion, an increase of over 3000%.1

    Of the many different challenges facing American Healthcare, the rising cost of healthcare is the paramount problem in our system. The exponential increase of the nation’s total healthcare expenditures over the past decades and the projected future trajectory of these costs will continue to have devastating consequences for the nation as a whole. Importantly, figures regarding national healthcare expenditures include the costs associated with both public and private healthcare, meaning healthcare’s rising cost cannot be blamed on one form of the system but rather on the system as a whole. The cold hard truth is that as a nation we lead the world in healthcare spending, yet only receive a system whose quality ranks 37th in the world (WHO 2007). By examining the rise in healthcare costs to the nation as a whole, the trends we find are disturbing and without change, it only stands to get worse.

    In 2007, America’s healthcare spending alone would represent the world’s seventh largest economy.
    The United States currently spends more on healthcare than on food or housing. 2
    By 2015, it is projected that US health spending will double from over $2 to nearly $4 trillion per year, going from 17% to 20% of GDP. 3
    Citation:
    1 Overview National Health Expenditure Data

    2 Modern Healthcare, December 2007

    3 Overview National Health Expenditure Data
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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    And I guess you understand the advancements that have been made over the last decade... You know.. the ones that were brought about by the "evil" free markets.... that are certain NOT happen under Government run healthcare?

    You seriously want to rollback all the advancements in medicine gained over the past decade?
    Why would regulating the insurance industry have any effect on research development. You don't believe that the insurance companies are the ones conducting the research do you?
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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You must be living on the moon if you have no idea what is going on with healthcare in this country. Even most GOP supporters admit that the healthcare system is in a crisis mode, even if they disagree with the healthcare bill. I guess others just stick their head in the sand.
    Translation: You're just going with the party line.

    [B]National Healthcare Expenditures
    Excerpt:
    From 1970 to 2008, health care spending in the United States is projected to increase from $74.9 billion to $2.4 trillion, an increase of over 3000%.
    Compare and contrast this with rising costs in other areas. Make sure to control for population increase as well as the advancement of technology.

    In 2007, America’s healthcare spending alone would represent the world’s seventh largest economy.
    Given our third-largest population, this isn't much of a surprise, or of much significance.

    By 2015, it is projected that US health spending will double from over $2 to nearly $4 trillion per year, going from 17% to 20% of GDP.
    Wow. That's crippling.

    Watch out there, chicken little - the sky is on the way down.

    This "health care crisis" scare is nothing more than an excuse for the government to take over 20% of the US econonmy, just like AGW is an excuse for the govermnemt to strangle the economy -- as such, your truthless hyperbole fits right in.

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Translation: You're just going with the party line.


    Compare and contrast this with rising costs in other areas. Make sure to control for population increase as well as the advancement of technology.


    Given our third-largest population, this isn't much of a surprise, or of much significance.


    Wow. That's crippling.

    Watch out there, chicken little - the sky is on the way down.

    This "health care crisis" scare is nothing more than an excuse for the government to take over 20% of the US econonmy, just like AGW is an excuse for the govermnemt to strangle the economy -- as such, your truthless hyperbole fits right in.
    I guess its obvious that you fit into the latter category that I discussed above in post 157.
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