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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Tort Reform, No Abortion Funding, Cross state borders for insurance......I could go on and on........You have either been not paying attention or are blinded by your partisanship my left wing friend.....
    1. Tort reform was very much on the table, if the Repubs participated.
    2. There is no change in the status of abortion funding in this legislation... there remains no federal funding of abortions
    3. The will be more across state line purchases in this plan. To have an across stateline free for all would give us the same result as across state line credit card regulation and banking, both have been a bit of a disaster. State regulation (for you states rights people) is an important part of the check and balance on the system.

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Tort Reform, No Abortion Funding, Cross state borders for insurance......I could go on and on........You have either been not paying attention or are blinded by your partisanship my left wing friend.....
    As has been previously mentioned: tort reform is a token effort at best and I've seen NOTHING serious on it from anywhere on the Republican side (or any side for that matter). Abortion funding is moot point because the bill provides no funding and it never did, it's also not a HEALTHCARE item. And cross state borders for insurance is, again, a token point that I've seen raised a handful of times.

    Republicans make excuses and sit back down. At this point I dont CARE how effective the healthcare reform will be, it's proof that SOMETHING is being done.
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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No. if health care is a right, then I have a right to not exercise that right.
    This is no different than requiring people to vote, and fining them if they do not.
    How is voting in the least bit comparable to owning insurance? And who ever said anything about health care being a right? This is about making health care affordable for everyone. Or are you suggesting that health care should be a luxury?

    This is a requirement necessary to exercise an optional privilege so that people do not financially suffer from the damage you mightr cause.
    In that, you are comparing Apples and tuna.
    Uh...what? People who get sick can get other people sick. And the realty is that getting sick is going to cost everyone one way or another anyways because they aren't going to deny you treatment. They are only going to wait until you are so sick that they have to treat you and by that point, it is going to cost considerably more when everyone else has to foot the bill. That is damaging.

    Do the exact opposite -- get rid of it and make everyone pay for their health care out-of-pocket. This will drive competition, raise quality and reduce costs.
    The reason we have these kinds of programs is because "paying out of pocket" was not a viable option for many of the country's poor and elderly but they still get sick and cost everyone else, so it is in the country's best interest to pay for them if they can't buy it themselves.

    Forcing coverage for people with pre-existing conditions raises costs.
    So you are arguing that it is more important to cut costs than to provide health care to those who need it? That isn't exactly loving your neighbor as you love yourself, but you are entitled to your values I guess.

    If they cannot raise the premiums for the peopel wit the PEC, they will raise someone elses.
    Huh? You are going to need to explain your logic behind this.

    Cutting funding doesnt force anone to be more efficient -- creatng competition does.
    Cutting funding does create competition and that is why it does lead to greater efficiency. The hospitals that can become more efficient will survive and those that cannot will go out of business.

    Medicade is already for low-income people, exclusively.
    No, that is utterly false. 60% of Americans living in poverty are not covered under Medicaid. Medicaid does provide service for the nation's low income, but that is not the only condition you need to meet to qualify. Furthermore it covers people certain disabilities. Do you really know that little about our current health care system?

    before this can be discussed, the soundness of the premise of the current 'reform' must be established. This has not been done.
    Ah, so the person who doesn't seem to know about our current health care system is demanding proof that we need reform. That seems like ostrich syndrome to me. You don't have to go out and actually find out what is wrong, and therefore you can tell yourself that there doesn't need to be reform.

    "Could"?
    Ok... it "could" raise deficts and it "could" increase the prescription coverage gap.
    There. Point countered.
    The nonpartisan CBO says it will increase prescription coverage. Your move.

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Tort Reform, No Abortion Funding, Cross state borders for insurance......I could go on and on........You have either been not paying attention or are blinded by your partisanship my left wing friend.....
    Tort Reform
    House Bill (H.R. 3962)
    Provide incentive payments to states that enact alternative medical liability laws that make the medical liability system more reliable through the prevention of or prompt and fair resolution of disputes, encourage the disclosure of health care errors, and maintain access to affordable liability insurance.

    Senate Bill (H.R. 3590)
    Award five-year demonstration grants to states to develop, implement, and evaluate alternatives to current tort litigations.

    President Obama
    Award five-year demonstration grants to states to develop, implement, and evaluate alternatives to current tort litigations.

    No Abortion Funding
    House Bill (H.R. 3962)
    Prohibit federal premium subsidies from being used to purchase a health plan in the Exchange that includes coverage for abortions except to save the life of the woman or in cases of rape or incest. Individuals receiving federal subsidies may purchase supplemental coverage for abortions but that coverage must be paid for entirely with private funds.

    Senate Bill (H.R. 3590)
    Ensure that federal premium or cost-sharing subsidies are not used to purchase coverage for abortion if coverage extends beyond saving the life of the woman or in cases of rape or incest.

    President Obama
    Ensure that federal premium or cost-sharing subsidies are not used to purchase coverage for abortion if coverage extends beyond saving the life of the woman or in cases of rape or incest

    Cross State Borders for Insurance
    House Bill (H.R. 3962)
    Permit states to form Health Care Choice Compacts to facilitate the purchase of individual insurance across state lines.

    Senate Bill (H.R. 3590)
    Permit states to form health care choice compacts and allow insurers to sell policies in any state participating in the compact.

    President Obama
    Permit states to form health care choice compacts and allow insurers to sell policies in any state participating in the compact.

    http://www.kff.org/healthreform/uplo...bill_final.pdf
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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Yeah cause he has the blind partisanship. Since everyone to you on the left is communist American hating moron.
    You ask me to give you some points of the Republican Health Plan and I do it and then your rebuttal is to attack me.. Please put me on ignore.....You have nothing to add to this thread......thanks.......
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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Tort reform - the right-wing answer to healthcare reform. They haven't looked at any of the studies that say it would have less than a 1% effect on the costs of healthcare.
    No Abortion funding - the new bill provides no funding. So there's no idea there that is new.

    Cross state borders - Oh please....the same insurance companies are operating state to state. This is not going to have any effect at real reform.

    You wanna try again?
    Spoken by and ambulance chasing lawyer........
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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Spoken by and ambulance chasing lawyer........
    Do you ever have an intelligent comment? Like about the fact that tort reform has been proven to only have a 1% impact?

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Yes, some of the dissent is from those that do not want change, some is from those that think this bill has been watered down beyond recognition and some of it is just objecting to the process. The majority of Americans want health care reform and the majority of Americans want at least a public option.

    Given the most want health care reform and if this gets voted down now, no one will have the guts to try this again for 100 years, its no wonder that the prevailing wisdom in the demo party is to get something done, even if it means losing a few congressional seats....
    This bill will bankrupt this country.......Why do you think all these 37 states are already figuring out ways to opt out......

    They don't want Obama Care.........
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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    1. Tort reform was very much on the table, if the Repubs participated.
    2. There is no change in the status of abortion funding in this legislation... there remains no federal funding of abortions
    3. The will be more across state line purchases in this plan. To have an across stateline free for all would give us the same result as across state line credit card regulation and banking, both have been a bit of a disaster. State regulation (for you states rights people) is an important part of the check and balance on the system.
    1, Horsehit the dems are in the back pocket of the lawyers in this country..they will never allow tort reform........
    2. Horse****, why do you think Congressman Stupar and 12 other dems won't vote yes? You are really clueless..
    3. Did you even read any of Obama Care when it was posted yesterday?
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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    As has been previously mentioned: tort reform is a token effort at best and I've seen NOTHING serious on it from anywhere on the Republican side (or any side for that matter). Abortion funding is moot point because the bill provides no funding and it never did, it's also not a HEALTHCARE item. And cross state borders for insurance is, again, a token point that I've seen raised a handful of times.

    Republicans make excuses and sit back down. At this point I dont CARE how effective the healthcare reform will be, it's proof that SOMETHING is being done.
    Tort Reform is the best way to keep costs down.....Without it costs will sky rocket and already has.........
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