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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    I have absolutely no objection to Health care being reformed, it desperately needs reformation.
    Were it to be the same Health care for all citizens including the pigs on the hill with their snouts in the public trough and the President and his lot as well, then it would be way more popular.
    But these Political Pigs have their own special deal with Health Care, why? I have no idea other than they are Pigs.
    Your preaching to the choir.....everyone wants health care reform...just not Obama Care..............
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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Just stop. You're being ridiculous. You can't just walk in here and declare that all health care is optional just because you would choose not to treat one particular disease. You really embarrass yourself sometimes with this stuff.
    Yes, I can. Since this is a free country and no one is forced to have any medical treatments at all. All treatments are a choice. How can you see it as anything but a choice?

    Sure, but you can't decide not to do it at all, or wait until later, like with cosmetic stuff.
    Yes, you certainly can. Why couldn't you? Sure, there may be some urgency with some treatments, but certainly not all. But then again, we're not talking about emergency care.


    You're being silly again. You know not everyone can afford every treatment for every disease out of pocket, even if prices were lowered significantly. Stop pretending to be dumb, it's pathetic.
    How is making payments dumb?

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Yes, I can. Since this is a free country and no one is forced to have any medical treatments at all. All treatments are a choice. How can you see it as anything but a choice?
    Alright, that's enough. You're being silly.

    Yes, you certainly can. Why couldn't you? Sure, there may be some urgency with some treatments, but certainly not all. But then again, we're not talking about emergency care.
    Well, yes, we are. Emergency care, and urgent care, and important care, and everything except plastic surgery that most people consider to be essential, i.e. they may be choices, but they will always choose them.

    Never mind. You're not interested in a serious debate.

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Alright, that's enough. You're being silly.
    How the **** is choosing what treatments you want silly?


    Well, yes, we are. Emergency care, and urgent care, and important care, and everything except plastic surgery that most people consider to be essential, i.e. they may be choices, but they will always choose them.

    Never mind. You're not interested in a serious debate.
    No, people will not always choose them, and no we are not talking about emergency care.

    Some people prefer more natural, holistic approaches to medicine. Some people most certainly would NOT choose to have large amounts of poison shoved into their bodies, and some people would never elect to have someone else's organ implanted into themselves.

    And whether or not people would choose treatments is irrelevant to the fact that they would have a choice as to who provided it and at what cost.

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Everyone has access to healthcare.



    WTF? Who do you think is going to provide your healthcare if no one is going to profit from it? You really think docs are going to spend 100s of thousands of dollars to get a degree so they can work for free?

    Profit and competition for that profit drive costs DOWN. It also gives incentive to develop more technology. If you want to see how well the free market works without govt and insurance involvement, just check out the elective/cosmetic surgery market. Ever increasing technology with ever decreasing costs. Go figure.
    Its amazing how you guys can take something and misconstrue it without even trying.

    Nowhere did I say that Doctors should work for free or that research companies should not make a profit.

    If you look carefully, what I was saying is that INSURANCE COMPANIES should not be a "for-profit" industry.
    How does it make sense for our healthcare industry to allow insurance companies to make profits by deciding who gets services, denying claims and canceling policies when people get sick.
    You can have a public-option or even better a single-payer system where the insurance company does not make medical decision based on the best interests of the shareholder and CEO's. Doctors still make a good living. Research companies are still free to compete and thus it still drive competition.

    I think you guys have just bought into the right-wing radio talking points that somehow this is all "socialism" and that it is going to cause the collapse of the entire healthcare industry. It isn't. That is what the insurance corporations want you to believe which is why they are pouring millions into the campaign to try to stop the reform. Afterall....they have to protect their shareholders and CEO's.
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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    How the **** is choosing what treatments you want silly?
    It's not. Suggesting that all treatments are choices, as if treatment for cancer is just as optional as getting a boob job, is silly.

    No, people will not always choose them, and no we are not talking about emergency care.
    We're talking about the entire health care system, which includes emergency care.

    Some people prefer more natural, holistic approaches to medicine. Some people most certainly would NOT choose to have large amounts of poison shoved into their bodies, and some people would never elect to have someone else's organ implanted into themselves.
    Those people already have those choices now. What does this have to do with cost control?

    And whether or not people would choose treatments is irrelevant to the fact that they would have a choice as to who provided it and at what cost.
    Most already have a choice of providers today too. Look, choice is a powerful cost control tool, but don't suggest that it can work exactly like plastic surgery.

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Your preaching to the choir.....everyone wants health care reform...just not Obama Care..............
    Oh really Navy? Is this why the Republicans are now against the very things that they supported before?

    No....the party of No does not want reform. They want to protect the insurance companies who are in their back pocket.

    Exactly what reform do you want?
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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Your preaching to the choir.....everyone wants health care reform...just not Obama Care..............
    Then why have Republicans basically gutted every attempt at reform since....ever?
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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Then why have Republicans basically gutted every attempt at reform since....ever?
    Because Republicans, unlike Demo-Rats know that once you open the door to government takeover, like this farce of a bill, then you open the floodgates to pure Communism, Komrade.


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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    Because Republicans, unlike Demo-Rats know that once you open the door to government takeover, like this farce of a bill, then you open the floodgates to pure Communism, Komrade.
    No, they know that if you throw goofy words like communism and komrade around, idiots will believe them.

    Please get serious. This bill is hardly a "government takeover." You guys knew you'd be saying that before the bill was even introduced.

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