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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Sure it can. Happens all the time. Look at oil.
    Thanks. Please tell it to everyone who thinks the free market is the magical solution (and not the problem) in health care.

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Why?

    Everyone could afford health care just fine, even catastrophic care, if only they didn't have insurance?

    Really?
    See the cosmetic surgery industry for the reason why. They are the prime example of what the rest of health care *could* be if only the insurance companies and govt would get out of it.

    And yes, people can make payments on large bills. We do it all the time. In fact, people COULD make payments into a savings account in preparation for those inevitable large bills in the future.

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    We will disagree as to the 'socialist' nature of the health care. Ive been places, seen things, experienced things, and done things that more than paid for my benefits as contracted. I also have wrecked knees (5 operations on my left, 2 on my right), can hardly hear in my left ear and have constant dual-tone tinitus in the right so that peoples spoken voices sound like computer aided voices. I have migraine onset 3-5 times a week. My left shoulder has been operated on 3 times. I spent a total of 7 years separated from my family. I paid for every doctors visit...believe me.

    And Im sorry...truly...you will NEVER see me post that again. Not trying to come across as self pitying or wanting any pity. I feel blessed. Ive worked with people that will deal with far worse problems. And some that wont deal with anything again...ever. You get the point. Im just saying...when one joins the military NO ONE tells them...dude...you are so lucky...you get FREE housing and FREE healthcare. We get told you will get crappy pay...no overtime...the government will dictate your assignment locations, combat assignments, etc. And if YOU are willing to work for this you will get this in return. And we earn every one of those benefits. Just like the average Joe that goes to work for a company and earns HIS or HER benefit package.

    So...

    Tricare is the current contract provider.

    Horror stories aside, I think the VA gives OUTSTANDING care and service. The misconception though is that the VA provides services to all veterans. thats not the case. The VA provides services only to disabled vets (people that have incurred a lifetime disability while on active duty). No idea as to the percentages...id guess it was around 20-30 percent of ALL servicemen and women.
    I thank you for your service Vance. You deserve the best health care the government has to offer.

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    See the cosmetic surgery industry for the reason why. They are the prime example of what the rest of health care *could* be if only the insurance companies and govt would get out of it.
    But cosmetic is elective, as you know. Meaning people don't have to get it if they can't afford it. They can choose not to buy it if the price is too high for them.

    Not true with other medical treatments.

    And yes, people can make payments on large bills. We do it all the time. In fact, people COULD make payments into a savings account in preparation for those inevitable large bills in the future.
    That just won't cut it for many treatments, especially chronic diseases.

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    See the cosmetic surgery industry for the reason why. They are the prime example of what the rest of health care *could* be if only the insurance companies and govt would get out of it.

    And yes, people can make payments on large bills. We do it all the time. In fact, people COULD make payments into a savings account in preparation for those inevitable large bills in the future.
    And the other thing to consider is that many of these bills could be settled for an even smaller amount.


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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Ever saw a corporate insurance company that you didn't love?

    Is there anything that corporations should not be able to milk profit from?
    Soluent Green comes to mind . . . wait that would be a government solution or program never mind.
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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But cosmetic is elective, as you know. Meaning people don't have to get it if they can't afford it. They can choose not to buy it if the price is too high for them.

    Not true with other medical treatments.
    Everything is elective. No one HAS to have any medical treatment. For instance, I already know that if I ever get cancer I will NOT choose to have chemo. It's not required by any means.

    Secondly, one can shop around for the treatments they DO want have, just like with cosmetic surgeries.

    That just won't cut it for many treatments, especially chronic diseases.
    Of course it would. Why wouldn't it?

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    I have absolutely no objection to Health care being reformed, it desperately needs reformation.
    Were it to be the same Health care for all citizens including the pigs on the hill with their snouts in the public trough and the President and his lot as well, then it would be way more popular.
    But these Political Pigs have their own special deal with Health Care, why? I have no idea other than they are Pigs.

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Everything is elective. No one HAS to have any medical treatment. For instance, I already know that if I ever get cancer I will NOT choose to have chemo. It's not required by any means.
    Just stop. You're being ridiculous. You can't just walk in here and declare that all health care is optional just because you would choose not to treat one particular disease. You really embarrass yourself sometimes with this stuff.

    Secondly, one can shop around for the treatments they DO want have, just like with cosmetic surgeries.
    Sure, but you can't decide not to do it at all, or wait until later, like with cosmetic stuff.

    Of course it would. Why wouldn't it?
    You're being silly again. You know not everyone can afford every treatment for every disease out of pocket, even if prices were lowered significantly. Stop pretending to be dumb, it's pathetic.

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    Re: Obama Socialist Health care program....

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Just stop. You're being ridiculous. You can't just walk in here and declare that all health care is optional just because you would choose not to treat one particular disease. You really embarrass yourself sometimes with this stuff.



    Sure, but you can't decide not to do it at all, or wait until later, like with cosmetic stuff.



    You're being silly again. You know not everyone can afford every treatment for every disease out of pocket, even if prices were lowered significantly. Stop pretending to be dumb, it's pathetic.
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