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    Re: Feds: Blackwater Saves Taxpayers Money

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    Hard to believe with what these mercenaries get paid. And in any case, mercenaries are a sorry substitute for soldiers anyway, as the bottom line to them is a paycheck, whereas the bottom line to a solider is service to one's country.



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    Re: Feds: Blackwater Saves Taxpayers Money

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The GAO has come out with a report that says Blackwater, and other private contractors, save the taxpayers almost a billion dollars per year.



    I have some observations to make about this:

    1) It goes to show you how wasteful our government is, if $1,200.00 or more per day for a mercenary saves us money.

    2) If we are going to use mercenaries, then in order to keep them disciplined, instead of running around and toasting innocent civilians, we need to put them under the military chain of command, and make them responsible for their actions, just as regular soldiers are.

    3) Finally, it is not the money that is most important, but our reputation, which many mercenaries have managed to drag into the ditch. When we lose our reputation, we lose everything. Better to pay more money for better professionals, who wont give America a black eye. Who are these better professionals? Why they are our own soldiers, of course.

    Here is my own proposal - If we hire private contractors to do some of our gun slinging for us, then make them subject to the military chain of command. Create a division for them, separate from the Army, but let them be just as subject to the UCMJ as any soldier. If they go off the reservation, then make them subject to courts martial, just as if they were in the military, and if they deserve it, send them to Leavenworth. I am willing to bet dollars to donuts that their going off the reservation would become a rare event, if they knew that there would be consequences for doing so.

    Discussion?

    Article is here.
    I haven't read the article, but here's what I'm going to say.

    We really should open up some sectors of our defense to bidders from other countries. Are there UK or Australian countries that can do the same job for less? If so, we should cut them a contract instead. This should contain costs better.
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    Re: Feds: Blackwater Saves Taxpayers Money

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    It doesn't look like it's just referring to military, but rather to state department employees/guards as well. Based on the article, it looks like where the State Department doesn't use blackwater contracts, they have to hire and train their own guards which is more costly.
    That would be my guess as well. From what I've understood the Blackwater employees tend to be used not in actual military-esque operations but generally more in replace of guards, protection details, etc.

    They're more likely to be guarding a door from what I know more than performing a raid on a suspected terrorist hideout or something of the sort.

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    Re: Feds: Blackwater Saves Taxpayers Money

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    That would be my guess as well. From what I've understood the Blackwater employees tend to be used not in actual military-esque operations but generally more in replace of guards, protection details, etc.

    They're more likely to be guarding a door from what I know more than performing a raid on a suspected terrorist hideout or something of the sort.




    Blackwater provides asset protection, whether its a VIP, a supply line, or equipment, this is what they do.


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    Re: Feds: Blackwater Saves Taxpayers Money

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The GAO has come out with a report that says Blackwater, and other private contractors, save the taxpayers almost a billion dollars per year.



    I have some observations to make about this:

    1) It goes to show you how wasteful our government is, if $1,200.00 or more per day for a mercenary saves us money.

    2) If we are going to use mercenaries, then in order to keep them disciplined, instead of running around and toasting innocent civilians, we need to put them under the military chain of command, and make them responsible for their actions, just as regular soldiers are.

    3) Finally, it is not the money that is most important, but our reputation, which many mercenaries have managed to drag into the ditch. When we lose our reputation, we lose everything. Better to pay more money for better professionals, who wont give America a black eye. Who are these better professionals? Why they are our own soldiers, of course.

    Here is my own proposal - If we hire private contractors to do some of our gun slinging for us, then make them subject to the military chain of command. Create a division for them, separate from the Army, but let them be just as subject to the UCMJ as any soldier. If they go off the reservation, then make them subject to courts martial, just as if they were in the military, and if they deserve it, send them to Leavenworth. I am willing to bet dollars to donuts that their going off the reservation would become a rare event, if they knew that there would be consequences for doing so.

    Discussion?

    Article is here.
    Two things:

    1) You're basically saying that we need people that adhere to DoD and branch regulations and the UCMJ. We already have that, it's called The United States Armed Forces. If a person wants to fire heavy weapons, kill people and blow **** up, that's the perfect place for them to be. Therefore, no need for a paramilitary force employed by the government.

    2) Mercenaries are illegal, per the Geneva Convention.

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    Re: Feds: Blackwater Saves Taxpayers Money

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    2) Mercenaries are illegal, per the Geneva Convention.
    Can you link me to the part of the Geneva Convention that outlaws mercenaries?
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    Re: Feds: Blackwater Saves Taxpayers Money

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Can you link me to the part of the Geneva Convention that outlaws mercenaries?
    Probably along the lines of Unlawfull combatants
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    Re: Feds: Blackwater Saves Taxpayers Money

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Probably along the lines of Unlawfull combatants
    Mercenaries are not entitled to some of the protections of regularly organized armed forces, but there's nothing in the Geneva Conventions that renders them unlawful.

    There is a UN Convention against the use of Mercenaries, but the US is not a signatory.
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    Re: Feds: Blackwater Saves Taxpayers Money

    Are a lot of mercenaries former US-military? If that's the case, we already paid to train them. Not really a savings...

    In any case, saving money does not justify using these guys. They're thugs.
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    Re: Feds: Blackwater Saves Taxpayers Money

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Are a lot of mercenaries former US-military? If that's the case, we already paid to train them. Not really a savings...

    In any case, saving money does not justify using these guys. They're thugs.
    So, every single mercenary under the employ of the US government is a thug?

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