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What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

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What Biden told Netanyahu behind closed doors: "This is starting to get dangerous for us" - Laura Rozen - POLITICO.com

Vice President Joe Biden arrived in Israel as a friend. As a matter of fact, he is considered to be the greatest friend of Israel ever to have been a member of the U.S. Senate. Legislation that he promoted over the years ensured the Israelis’ security and welfare. It is that great friend of ours who now feels betrayed.

While standing in front of the cameras, the U.S. vice president made an effort to smile at Binyamin Netanyahu even after having learned on Tuesday that the Interior Ministry had approved plans to build 1,600 housing units in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Ramat Shlomo. But in closed conversations, Joe Biden took an entirely different tone. ...

People who heard what Biden said were stunned. “This is starting to get dangerous for us,” Biden castigated his interlocutors. “What you’re doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That endangers us and it endangers regional peace.”

It's about damn time.
 
Good. I'm tired of always feeling like our government agrees with every decision Israel makes.
 
If this is true. Good. I have nothing against the Israeli people and I'm sure they for the most part could care less about us supporting them. But the fact that they keep pissing off Muslims is a serious issue that the 4 previous Presidents refused to deal with because Protestant America has a hard-on for Israel.
 
I saw a trailer...
Waiting for Armageddon | Home

Apparently something like 20 million americans wish to do everything they can in order to fan the flames of war in hopes that it will end in apocalypse so they can be raptured etc.

Doesn't seem like the best made documentary ever but have any of you ever heard of this?
 
I grew up in that. It is behind some of the unblinking support of Israel from the far right religious groups.
 
The only thing that matters to you people is that that Biden dunderhead put down Netanyahu.....it wouldn't have mattered what the issue is. Notice the other posts talking about right wingers agreeing with Israel all the time, which is a lie. But it wasn't about this issue, it was about disagreeing with Israel for once. Yeah, go Biden you show'em. This whole thread so far almost looks antisemitic in it's generalization.
 
The only thing that matters to you people is that that Biden dunderhead put down Netanyahu.....it wouldn't have mattered what the issue is. Notice the other posts talking about right wingers agreeing with Israel all the time, which is a lie. But it wasn't about this issue, it was about disagreeing with Israel for once. Yeah, go Biden you show'em. This whole thread so far almost looks antisemitic in it's generalization.

Only Catz mention right wingers and she went even farther and said it was the religious right. And she is right. Israel can do no wrong to these people because to them Israel is just trying to fulfill biblical prophecy.

I wish we would disagree with Israel more often because we treat them like they are a golden boy.
 

Netenyahu should have replied mind your own ****ing business.

Or perhaps he should have told Biden to stop the construction of the Nets arena in NY that displaced people, that destroyed homes of the low income mostly minorities.

What Israel does in its own borders is no ones concern.

If Biden doesnt like it then act and stop the monetary support of Israel. Which would result in a regional war, and force the US into a worse position.

Honestly the Palestinian should be of no concern to Americans, the very same people who celebrated the 9/11 attack dancing in the streets,
 
The only thing that matters to you people is that that Biden dunderhead put down Netanyahu.....it wouldn't have mattered what the issue is. Notice the other posts talking about right wingers agreeing with Israel all the time, which is a lie. But it wasn't about this issue, it was about disagreeing with Israel for once. Yeah, go Biden you show'em. This whole thread so far almost looks antisemitic in it's generalization.

It's so typical to use the "anti-semetic" race card anytime some criticizes the GOI. It has become rather boring actually. :yawn:

I am have my own opinions of Israeli politics.

But, due the disproportionate number of semetic moderators on this forum I usually just keep them to myself. Nothing can get you on the bad side quicker here, at Debate Politics, than siding against Israel on any given issue.

That being said, I will pick my own battles. This ain't one of 'em. But I do hope someday that the US will tell Israel, "You're on your own buddy." I think they'd do fine without us. This US unconditional support of their actions, at our expense, has become quite irritating.

Sink or swim.
 
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Netenyahu should have replied mind your own ****ing business.

That's fine. Israel is a sovereign nation. In that case, they don't need the almost $3 billion in subsidies that we give them each year. Seems like a fair trade to me. We can screw off, and they can take care of themselves militarily and financially.

But, as long as we are subsidizing them, and our relationship with them is compromising our ability to work with other middle eastern nations, then they shouldn't be telling us to bugger off.

That's just my take.
 
That's fine. Israel is a sovereign nation. In that case, they don't need the almost $3 billion in subsidies that we give them each year. Seems like a fair trade to me. We can screw off, and they can take care of themselves militarily and financially.

Thats what I said. The only problem for us in that case, would be a wide regional war, that would risk our interests. The money we spend on Israel gives us some power over Israeli foriegn policy. Basically we create a strong state, that acts as a buffer to wider war. If Israel was denied that funding it would feel even more threatend by its nieghbors which would result in worse conditions for the Palestinians, and potentially all out war. So it is in our interest to keep Israel stable, but if we feel so strongly about the anti American palestinians then that shouldnt be a concern to us :roll:.

But, as long as we are subsidizing them, and our relationship with them is compromising our ability to work with other middle eastern nations, then they shouldn't be telling us to bugger off.

Read above. Also dont forget that they are vital to our weapons development, and intelligence gathering.
 
Thats what I said. The only problem for us in that case, would be a wide regional war, that would risk our interests. The money we spend on Israel gives us some power over Israeli foriegn policy.

I agree. Proposing a plan to demolish more Palestinian homes on the very day that our Vice President showed up on a diplomatic visit was an act that is hostile to our interests in the region, and should be taken as such.

Basically we create a strong state, that acts as a buffer to wider war.

That's the theory. In pragmatic reality, that has not been the case.

If Israel was denied that funding it would feel even more threatend by its nieghbors which would result in worse conditions for the Palestinians,

That's one possible outcome. Another is that Israel might have to come to terms with the Palestinian demands and be more of a peace-maker rather than a wall builder and home demolisher.

Read above. Also dont forget that they are vital to our weapons development, and intelligence gathering.

Feel free to prove this. I hear this all the time, but from where I sit, I see that we have multiple bases in the middle east that appear to position us much more effectively, and without the hassles that Israel's squabbles cause for us.
 
I agree. Proposing a plan to demolish more Palestinian homes on the very day that our Vice President showed up on a diplomatic visit was an act that is hostile to our interests in the region, and should be taken as such.

Well it has nothing to do with out interests, its a Israeli issue. What if Netenyahu came to NY during the Ratner take over of the Navy yard in Brooklyn? Should the Americans appologize for eminent domain? Your confusing our interests with interenal Israeli matters. The Palestinians should be of no concern to Biden.

That's the theory. In pragmatic reality, that has not been the case.

There hasnt been a majour war in that area since the funding began.


That's one possible outcome. Another is that Israel might have to come to terms with the Palestinian demands and be more of a peace-maker rather than a wall builder and home demolisher.

That wont happen, if you put Israel in the corner they will react aggressively.
The issues dont present a way toward peace. The Palestinians want too much and sometimes different conflicting things (Fatah/Hamas), and offer very little in exchange.

Feel free to prove this. I hear this all the time, but from where I sit, I see that we have multiple bases in the middle east that appear to position us much more effectively, and without the hassles that Israel's squabbles cause for us.
Recent military cooperation:

1. Arrow missle shield (developed in conjuction with US)
2. Paladin tracking systems
3. Lighter body armour

intelligence

Anti insurgent tactics
Intel that led to assasination of Al Queda leadership
(others things will come out as time goes by)
 
That's fine. Israel is a sovereign nation. In that case, they don't need the almost $3 billion in subsidies that we give them each year. Seems like a fair trade to me. We can screw off, and they can take care of themselves militarily and financially.

But, as long as we are subsidizing them, and our relationship with them is compromising our ability to work with other middle eastern nations, then they shouldn't be telling us to bugger off.

That's just my take.

So let's see........... we cut off military aid to Israel forcing them to look elsewhere for the funds to keep their country safe.

Israel, having their own high tech military industries starts to sell those high tech weapons around the world to make up for the funds cut off by the US.

Israel tells the US to move their ass out of their country or start paying through the nose for rent on those military bases we need so desperately in the only ally we have in the ME.

You start bitching about the arms race the Israelis are fermenting and how they are endangering the fragile peace in the ME. by kicking our ass out or making us pay rent.

Let's face it, some people will never see the real world the way it really is. Sure Israel has a strong lobby in the US., but do you really think we pour that much money into Israel because of their lobby, or do you think it might be to support our own goals?

That's just my take.
 
Israel is making a huge mistake here, but it comes on top of an even bigger mistake. The Arabs attempted to annihilate Israel as a nation, and instead, they had their butts handed to them, and lost land. If Israel had just annexed the land that they won fair and square, as the spoils of war, this problem would not even exist, and Israel would not be making the mistake it is making today.
 
At this point, how can some people refuse to admit that Israel is annexing land in an imperialistic fashion? It's plain as day.

I'm glad Biden spoke with some realism.
 
At this point, how can some people refuse to admit that Israel is annexing land in an imperialistic fashion? It's plain as day.

I'm glad Biden spoke with some realism.


Israel was imperialistic because it wanted to survive. But as of 1967 their borders have shrunk not expanded. What they are doing today is building houses in Israeli territory, the Palestinians do not have a state. Unless the Palestinians become unified they will always be in a position of weakness, and never gain a state.
 
Israel announces this the day Biden arrives?!?

Obviously, Netanyahu doesn't respect the US. Either he takes our support for granted, or considers it irrelevant.

Not good.
 
Israel announces this the day Biden arrives?!?

Obviously, Netanyahu doesn't respect the US. Either he takes our support for granted, or considers it irrelevant.

Not good.

It is designed to embarras the Obama administration, the same administration that went to Cairo not Jerusalem to make a Mideast speech. The Israelis view this administration as anti Israel, so they are trying to destroy any chance of Obama having any politically beneficial foriegn policy achievements. They know they have a powerful lobby in our Congress, and they dont risk much but possibly gain.
 
It is designed to embarras the Obama administration, the same administration that went to Cairo not Jerusalem to make a Mideast speech. The Israelis view this administration as anti Israel, so they are trying to destroy any chance of Obama having any politically beneficial foriegn policy achievements. They know they have a powerful lobby in our Congress, and they dont risk much but possibly gain.

And you rave about Jerusalem expansion as an "internal" Israeli affair...
 
It is designed to embarras the Obama administration, the same administration that went to Cairo not Jerusalem to make a Mideast speech. The Israelis view this administration as anti Israel, so they are trying to destroy any chance of Obama having any politically beneficial foriegn policy achievements. They know they have a powerful lobby in our Congress, and they dont risk much but possibly gain.

Is this what you wish or what you know?
 
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