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    Re: What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Interesting deflection, Tashah.
    Interesting dodge, Catz.

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    Re: What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    The US isn't being stupidly magnanimous. Different benefits accrue to America in each different venue. The foreign-aid to Egypt keeps the Mubarak regime in power. In return, Egypt does political and material favors for the US...
    I strongly agree. U.S. foreign assistance is one of the tools by which the U.S. promotes and protects its interests abroad. It is not charity. It is not welfare.

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    Re: What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I strongly agree. U.S. foreign assistance is one of the tools by which the U.S. promotes and protects its interests abroad. It is not charity. It is not welfare.
    It does, however, come with strings. It's a tool to leverage other countries to do what we want them to do. If Israel becomes intransigent, it could be removed.

    You know, in ancient Rome, a politician was considered honest if, when bought, he stayed bought. Israel has been bought, and should remember that.
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    Re: What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It does, however, come with strings. It's a tool to leverage other countries to do what we want them to do. If Israel becomes intransigent, it could be removed.p
    Indeed. It is blackmail money wrapped in a pretty package. That wasn't so hard now was it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You know, in ancient Rome, a politician was considered honest if, when bought, he stayed bought. Israel has been bought, and should remember that.
    Oh, I think Israel is well aware of the Devil's bargain. The trick is to use it without selling one's soul. This is precisely bin-Laden's beef with the Kingdom.

    Which brings to mind an Arabian proverb...

    Keep your friends close, and hold your enemies closer.

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    Re: What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Indeed. It is blackmail money wrapped in a pretty package. That wasn't so hard now was it.
    Did you think I understood it differently? The question is... are we still buying something useful? I think your usefulness has to be judged against the actions of your country in the past 10 years. You've made yourself more of a devil's bargain...FOR US.

    Israel has become a tar baby....a sticky, sticky trap that we can't put down. But, more and more Americans are wanting to.

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    Re: What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The first terrorists were the Zealots.
    That's a very naive thought, there were countless of other people who have committed terrorism before the Zealots have actually even existed, even if you consider the killing of political active figures to be terrorism.

    But that has nothing to do with that Enigma dude being wrong.
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    Re: What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It does, however, come with strings. It's a tool to leverage other countries to do what we want them to do. If Israel becomes intransigent, it could be removed.

    You know, in ancient Rome, a politician was considered honest if, when bought, he stayed bought. Israel has been bought, and should remember that.
    Not as long as the Israeli people believe in freedom and give their voice will Israel bow down to the control of another.

    And I'm not speaking about the Obama administration here, but the opinion you are promoting.

    You need to simply deal with the fact that Israel is another sovereign state that acts accordingly with the interests of its people.
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    Re: What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Israel has become a tar baby....a sticky, sticky trap that we can't put down. But, more and more Americans are wanting to.
    Support for Israel in U.S. at 63%, Near Record High

    That's a poll from a few months ago.
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    Re: What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    That's a very naive thought, there were countless of other people who have committed terrorism before the Zealots have actually even existed, even if you consider the killing of political active figures to be terrorism.

    But that has nothing to do with that Enigma dude being wrong.
    I'm pretty sure he's referring to this:

    Sicarii: First Century Terrorists

    And, the zealots didn't just kill "politically active figures." They killed civilians.
    The Sicariis most notable tactic was the use of short daggers to kill people. Although they were not terrorists in the modern sense, this method of murdering people in crowded places before slipping away did cause extreme anxiety among surrounding onlookers, and thus terrorize them.

    As political scientist and terrorist expert David C. Rapaport has pointed out, the Sicarii were distinct in primarily targeting other Jews considered to be either collaborators or quiescent in the face of Roman rule.

    They attacked, in particular, Jewish notables and elites associated with the priesthood. This strategy distinguishes them from the Zealots, who aimed their violence against Romans.

    These tactics were described by Josephus as beginning in the CE 50s:

    … a different type of bandits sprang up in Jersualem, the so-called sicarii, who murdered men in broad daylight in the heart of the city. Especially during the festivals they would mingle with the crowd, carrying short daggers concealed under their clothing, with which they stabbed their enemies. Then when they fell, the murderers would join in the cries of indignation and, through this plausible behavior, avoided discovery. (Quoted in Richard A. Horsley, "The Sicarii: Ancient Jewish "Terrorists," The Journal of Religion, October 1979.)

    The Sicarii operated primarily in the urban environment of Jerusalem, including within the Temple. However, they also committed attacks in villages, which they also raided for plunder and set on fire in order to create fear among Jews who acquiesced or collaborated with Roman rule. They also kidnapped notables or others as leverage for the release of their own members held prisoner.
    More...

    http://www.cdi.org/friendlyversion/p...ocumentID=1502
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    Re: What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Not as long as the Israeli people believe in freedom and give their voice will Israel bow down to the control of another.

    And I'm not speaking about the Obama administration here, but the opinion you are promoting.

    You need to simply deal with the fact that Israel is another sovereign state that acts accordingly with the interests of its people.
    I have no problem with Israel being a sovereign state. If that's the case, however, you should stop accepting our aid dollars.

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