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    Re: What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

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    Aren't you the one that thinks the Israeli military could misidentify an American ship complete with American flag flying? I rest my case.
    You rest nothing, since that is your case here.
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    Re: What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
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    What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...Stop trolling. Address the topic or depart.
    Trolling? I'm responding to his allegations that whatever I post is not true or factual. My contention is there is a pattern when he said my post about the U.S.S. Liberty was not true.

    If I didn't know any better I'd say I smell a conflict of interest here with you being from Israel and my posts being harsh on Israel? Perhaps you should recuse yourself and allow another moderator to take your place on this? Or just fire away which I predict you will.

    BTW don't label me as antisemetic. I had as relative sent to the gas chamber in Nazi Germany and I sure don't condone the way the Jews have been treated then and now. But I'm very unhappy with my country's unconditional support of some Israeli policies that have caused us a lot of grief.
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    Re: What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    The US isn't being stupidly magnanimous. Different benefits accrue to America in each different venue. The foreign-aid to Egypt keeps the Mubarak regime in power. In return, Egypt does political and material favors for the US. Do you imagine that some CIA renditions wound up in Egypt by accident?

    Pakistan's nuclear weapons. Glad you mentioned that. Were you aware that Pakistan laundered US aid funds and funneled the skimmed monies into its National Atomic Agency and Khan Industries? Nevertheless, the US is still sending substantial aid to Pakistan? Why? Because as in all cases, it highly benefits the US either in the short-term or the long-term view.

    In the case of Pakistan, US aid is indeed a true subsidy. Without it, the country would quickly go bankrupt and Pakistan would totally collapse within months, if that long.
    I agree with what you say about US aid. Yes. And a portion of aid that goes to Israel may be funding illegal settlements but theres no way to tell how they spend their money because of the privileged nature of American aid to them in comparison with other nations we send aid to. Aid to Israel has at times been 2% of their GPD which is a fantastic proportion. israel receives its aid in a Lump sum cash transfer. No other country gets that. Of course theres no will to rustle political favors and track or restrict or review the details of how Israel is allowed to spend its aid. Also the aid per capita of Israel makes aid per capita to other middle eastern nations look like squat.

    According to your assumption of nil value, numerous US presidents (D/R) along with both houses of Congress (D/R/I) have been making the same foreign-aid mistake for decades. Possible I suppose, but highly improbable.
    Not highly improbable at all, the concept that somehow the supplying aid to Israel by both parties makes utilitarian sense to the US in any way means nothing when both American political parties occupy a very small wavelength together on the political spectrum. In fact it makes the mistake quite possible, our supply of aid at many points seems to point more towards the effect and interest of the Israel lobby than any material advantage to US interests that we have gotten out of it so far.

    I'm willing to list sources if you have any questions about the above.

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    Re: What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

    Netanyahu must roll his eyes every time Hillary, Biden, or Obama dial his cell phone. He does not respect them them, nor does the rest of the world.

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    Re: What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Netanyahu must roll his eyes every time Hillary, Biden, or Obama dial his cell phone. He does not respect them them, nor does the rest of the world.
    Can you blame him?.....

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    Re: What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Can you blame him?.....
    Nope. If I were him, I'd just tell Biden to not bother calling ecause I'm waiting for the next administration to work with. He shouldn't waste him time on amateurish blowhards.

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    Re: What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Netanyahu must roll his eyes every time Hillary, Biden, or Obama dial his cell phone. He does not respect them them, nor does the rest of the world.
    Wow, show us your fabulous sources, I didn't know that the rest of the entire planet didn't respect obama.

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    Re: What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Was that the act of Israeli citizens?
    Really?
    Before Israel's existent?

    And were the above people the first terrorists?
    The first terrorists were the Zealots.
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    Re: What Biden Told Netanyahu Behind Closed Doors...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    According to your assumption of nil value, numerous US presidents (D/R) along with both houses of Congress (D/R/I) have been making the same foreign-aid mistake for decades. Possible I suppose, but highly improbable.
    Times change.

    The US isn't being stupidly magnanimous. Different benefits accrue to America in each different venue. The foreign-aid to Egypt keeps the Mubarak regime in power. In return, Egypt does political and material favors for the US. Do you imagine that some CIA renditions wound up in Egypt by accident?
    All of these relationships need to be evaluated over time to ensure that benefit is still accrued to the U.S. Just because we've done something in the past does not mean we should continue doing it in the future.

    Pakistan's nuclear weapons. Glad you mentioned that. Were you aware that Pakistan laundered US aid funds and funneled the skimmed monies into its National Atomic Agency and Khan Industries? Nevertheless, the US is still sending substantial aid to Pakistan? Why? Because as in all cases, it highly benefits the US either in the short-term or the long-term view.
    It's arguable how much benefit has been accrued long run from this aid. Again, as stated above, this is something that must be evaluated on an ongoing basis.

    In the case of Pakistan, US aid is indeed a true subsidy. Without it, the country would quickly go bankrupt and Pakistan would totally collapse within months, if that long.
    Interesting deflection, Tashah.

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