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    Re: Schumer To Hold Hearings On Undoing Filibuster Rules

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    I like it much better when they do nothing. Congress doing things is what put us in a precarious position.
    Exactly.
    The US govermnent was -intentionally- set up to make it difficult to get things done.

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    Re: Schumer To Hold Hearings On Undoing Filibuster Rules

    The filibuster was created with good intentions. However the Repubs have abused it to the point of making it . It should be returned to what it used to be. None of this tag team ****. Make it hard to do and maybe it won't be abused as much. Maybe it needs modification so it can't be so abused.

    All that aside, if the Dems make this move, they will be sending a "those in power make the rules" message to the Repubs. They need to think about what the Repubs will do when they're in power. Because sooner or later... ughhh... it will happen.
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    Re: Schumer To Hold Hearings On Undoing Filibuster Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    The filibuster was created with good intentions. However the Repubs have abused it to the point of making it . It should be returned to what it used to be. None of this tag team ****. Make it hard to do and maybe it won't be abused as much. Maybe it needs modification so it can't be so abused.

    All that aside, if the Dems make this move, they will be sending a "those in power make the rules" message to the Repubs. They need to think about what the Repubs will do when they're in power. Because sooner or later... ughhh... it will happen.
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    Re: Schumer To Hold Hearings On Undoing Filibuster Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    The filibuster was created with good intentions. However the Repubs have abused it....
    I note that you didnt include the Dems in that. I wonder why.
    OK, not really.

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    Re: Schumer To Hold Hearings On Undoing Filibuster Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I note that you didnt include the Dems in that. I wonder why.
    Because it's the Repubs who have abused it.

    When the Democrats regained tenuous control of the 110th Congress in 2007, filibusters by the new Republican minority skyrocketed. Following the landslide victory of Barack Obama and progressive Democrats in 2008, there was a clear mandate for change in reform in America, yet the 111th should set a new record for filibusters as part of a clear pattern of obstruction from those who do not want change or reform.

    During an attempt by the Bush regime to ram a group of conservative activist judges down the throats of the nations highest courts in 2005, the Democratic minority threatened to filibuster. At this point, the Republican majority threatened to abolish the filibuster (called the nuclear option) as a parliamentary procedure.
    Republican Obstruction at Work: Record Number of Filibusters | NEWS JUNKIE POST

    That should make it perfectly clear.

    *There are a few charts on that website that didn't copy over.
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    Re: Schumer To Hold Hearings On Undoing Filibuster Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Because it's the Repubs who have abused it.


    Republican Obstruction at Work: Record Number of Filibusters | NEWS JUNKIE POST

    That should make it perfectly clear.

    *There are a few charts on that website that didn't copy over.
    And as I've explained to your colleagues twice already, the claim that an increased number of cloture votes is proof of increased obstruction belies a lack of understanding of Senate procedures, statistics, and politics in general.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058583292


    You can't draw conclusions like this based on something as simple as the number of cloture votes.

    In addition, it's pointless to use the number of cloture votes in an attempt to draw any conclusions about the changing perception/use of the filibuster over time. First, the number of votes needed for cloture was 67 until 1975 when it was reduced to 60. Second, the reason the number has fluctuated so wildly in recent years is because whether or not something counts as a technical filibuster depends on whether a Senator brings something up for a procedural vote. Since 99% of the time everyone knows how the vote will turn out, Senators don't make cloture motions that they know will be doomed to failure unless they're doing so for political reasons.

    Think about it - if you were part of the majority and wanted to paint the minority as "obstructionist" in order to score political points, what would you do? You'd take a few dozen bills that you know would never win a cloture vote and bring cloture motions on all of them. They all fail, and BOOM! You've got a ready-made headline: "Obstructionist Minority Filibusters Record Number of Bills."
    The purpose of the filibuster is to prevent Congress from enacting controversial bills via slight majorities in both houses. The purpose remains the same whether it's used once or a thousand times. Obama et al. had no problem with it when they were the ones benefiting.
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    Re: Schumer To Hold Hearings On Undoing Filibuster Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Exactly.
    The US govermnent was -intentionally- set up to make it difficult to get things done.
    Rules for the filibuster isn't set up anywhere in the Constitution. In fact, originally the filibuster was used in the House. But when the House grew too large, they dropped it and the Senate adopted it later. The Senate is able to write it's own rules and procedures. If the Senate wants to get rid of the filibuster, so they can do so however they want. It doesn't mean they can't get it back later.

    My own suggestion for the filibuster is to require a Senator from each party to call for it. That way, legislation too unwanted won't get passed but it won't allow partisan obstructionism.

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    Re: Schumer To Hold Hearings On Undoing Filibuster Rules

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    So you want our government to waste a lot of time and money.
    ITs not doin that now? We need less government not more.

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    Re: Schumer To Hold Hearings On Undoing Filibuster Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Exactly.
    The US govermnent was -intentionally- set up to make it difficult to get things done.
    And if we really believed that, we would ensure that no party controls the entire US government at any one time.

    America is F-ing stupid. Seriously, first time around was a massive debacle. And now we vote the other party in to complete control? I was praying the GOP took the senate in 2008.
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    Re: Schumer To Hold Hearings On Undoing Filibuster Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Republicans are railing against their own ideas now that Democrats are supporting them. We're going to sink out here.

    That' EXACTLY why they are called the "Party of NO" and why their actions are so ridiculous. Its like dealing with children. Do we really have to start playing the reverse psychology "Don't you eat your vegetables" game with them?
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