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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

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    Because it's not really "cost containment" if there is no competition to go along with the mandate.
    Which is why you're a huge proponent of eliminating the barriers to selling across state lines, I presume.

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    I'll save this exchange in case I ever see you use the argument against rationing.
    Feel free, I've been a huge proponent of rationing since day one. Bring on the death panels.
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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Which is why you're a huge proponent of eliminating the barriers to selling across state lines, I presume.
    Yup, with basic universal health and wellness care. Private insurance as a voluntary supplement.

    Feel free, I've been a huge proponent of rationing since day one. Bring on the death panels.
    I think we can stop short of death panels but does granny, who can't really walk any more, need a knee replacement? Maybe not.

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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Yup, with basic universal health and wellness care. Private insurance as a voluntary supplement.
    Say goodbye to the doctors of today, and hello to the flunkies that normally don't cut it.

    More than 90 percent of doctors do not support this, and many of the established, financially secure will simply retire if this passes. They have to wrestle for every dime from Medicaid that is owed to them already. Can you imagine the federal government handling this? LOL

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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Say goodbye to the doctors of today, and hello to the flunkies that normally don't cut it.

    More than 90 percent of doctors do not support this, and many of the established, financially secure will simply retire if this passes. They have to wrestle for every dime from Medicaid that is owed to them already. Can you imagine the federal government handling this? LOL
    Wah.

    Got a source for 90% of GPs not supporting UHC?

    Then it would be obvious that the compensation part would need adjusting.

    Maybe, instead of your dooms day scenario, it might mean we'd get doctors who care more about helping their patients than the old "become a doctor and get rich" axiom. Your ilk doesn't seem to have a problem with the rest of societies workforce adapting to changes in the economy... that is when it suits your argument.

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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    So you don't believe the fear-mongering by the repubs has anything to do with it? If it's not effective then why is fear-mongering used (by both parties)?

    If you can scare the dems who got elected in conservative districts, and if those dems are more concerned with re-election in those districts than doing what's right then do you think that might have an impact on their vote for the Bill?
    If the bill is so great it wont matter will it? Everyone will see how great it is and there will be singing in whoovilles all over the US.

    I just have one primary question. Why do we have to We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it?


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uC4bXmcUvw"]YouTube- Pelosi: "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it."[/ame]

    Does that seem right to you?
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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

    Kucinich Switches Vote on Health Care - Prescriptions Blog - NYTimes.com

    Representative Dennis J. Kucinich, Democrat of Ohio, said today that he plans to support the health care bill when it comes up for a vote this week. He becomes the first Democrat to publicly disclose his intention to switch from a no to a yes vote on the legislation.

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    In an interview five days ago, Mr. Kucinich said he could not support the legislation and dismissed suggestions that his vote would derail the Democratic health care agenda. But since then, the congressman has come under extraordinary pressure from groups across the Democratic spectrum, including Moveon.org, which encouraged him to support the bill.
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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I have to say I agree with Kucinich on this one. I see nothing in the bill that will bring costs down over the long term. All this seems to do is prolong the inevitable collapse of the market unless serious changes are made.

    I say we may as well let the thing collapse now instead of it collapsing later and possibly bankrupting the country with it.
    If by "prolong" you mean "hasten".
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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Kucinich is one of the very few politicians who will never be bought out by anyone. That is to be highly admired. Hate his stances all you want... but you cannot tell me this man is not ethical.
    Representative Dennis J. Kucinich, Democrat of Ohio, said today that he plans to support the health care bill when it comes up for a vote this week. He becomes the first Democrat to publicly disclose his intention to switch from a no to a yes vote on the legislation.
    Oops, scratch that.
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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

    Quote Originally Posted by gopman View Post
    Oops, scratch that.
    LOL!

    Got to love a politician who stands by his beliefs. I always knew they guy was a wingnut but now a spineless wingnut... he fits right in with the rest of Congress.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

    Is anyone really surprised he caved after a few threats and arm twists?
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