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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Killing millions? MILLIONS? Give me a f'ing break. Talk about hyperbole. Proof, please?
    What's a little hyperbole among friends?

    How many die per year due to lack of insurance? When was UHC first proposed? Do the math.

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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    What's a little hyperbole among friends?

    How many die per year due to lack of insurance? When was UHC first proposed? Do the math.
    45,000.* It weren't 20 years ago, dear heart.







    *But that number is disputed by many.

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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    45,000.* It weren't 20 years ago, dear heart.







    *But that number is disputed by many.
    It may be disputed and UHC was put forth by FDR, which was a little more than 20 years ago.

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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    It may be disputed and UHC was put forth by FDR, which was a little more than 20 years ago.
    Wow, you really ARE playing hard and fast with the truth. Which, I suppose, is fine, as long as the truth enjoys it like that.

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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Wow, you really ARE playing hard and fast with the truth. Which, I suppose, is fine, as long as the truth enjoys it like that.
    I agreed that it was hyperbole and you kept pushing so... you get what you ask for.

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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    What's a little hyperbole among friends?

    How many die per year due to lack of insurance? When was UHC first proposed? Do the math.
    Wamp wamp.

    Myth Diagnosis - Magazine - The Atlantic

    The possibility that no one risks death by going without health insurance may be startling, but some research supports it. Richard Kronick of the University of California at San Diego’s Department of Family and Preventive Medicine, an adviser to the Clinton administration, recently published the results of what may be the largest and most comprehensive analysis yet done of the effect of insurance on mortality. He used a sample of more than 600,000, and controlled not only for the standard factors, but for how long the subjects went without insurance, whether their disease was particularly amenable to early intervention, and even whether they lived in a mobile home. In test after test, he found no significantly elevated risk of death among the uninsured.
    Read the whole article. The bulk of the studies claiming these huge numbers of deaths from a lack of insurance are significantly flawed.
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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Wamp wamp.

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    Read the whole article. The bulk of the studies claiming these huge numbers of deaths from a lack of insurance are significantly flawed.
    I can agree with that. After all, how many insurance company death panels have killed patients by issuing denials?
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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

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    **cough**cough**Dubya**cough**cough**

    Some have the Midas touch, while Dubya had the **** brown poo-poo touch.
    Come talk to me when Baby Kucci becomes the President.
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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Wamp wamp.

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    Read the whole article. The bulk of the studies claiming these huge numbers of deaths from a lack of insurance are significantly flawed.
    Whimper whimper

    Why am I not surprised that you, a rightwinger, found a republican journalist who seeks to undermine an argument used by democrats for health insurance reform. I guess here"liberal" use of words like - maybe, perhaps, possibility... she does a decent job of injecting suspicion and of course picks an chooses which studies and which parts to use to question a premise. Of course she stops short of declaring the premise to be untrue, but that's not her goal, right? Her goal is simply to cast doubt so that people like you can use it as fact.

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    Re: Kucinich willing to cast the vote that kills health reform

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Whimper whimper

    Why am I not surprised that you, a rightwinger, found a republican journalist who seeks to undermine an argument used by democrats for health insurance reform. I guess here"liberal" use of words like - maybe, perhaps, possibility... she does a decent job of injecting suspicion and of course picks an chooses which studies and which parts to use to question a premise. Of course she stops short of declaring the premise to be untrue, but that's not her goal, right? Her goal is simply to cast doubt so that people like you can use it as fact.
    Her "liberal" use of those words is to indicate the fact that the science is not settled on this. See, rather than finding something that sounds good and asserting that it's the incontrovertible truth to the exclusion of everything else, most reasonable people look at situations like this with an open mind.

    My conclusion is not that a lack of health insurance causes no excess deaths, although the most comprehensive study to date seems to indicate that. Nor is my conclusion that a lack of health insurance causes 10k/20k/45k excess deaths a year like some other studies claim. My conclusion is that it's unsettled, but there is strong evidence that the number is somewhat lower than traditionally thought. Regardless of all of that, it's indisputable that it's drastically lower than your bull**** "millions" figure.

    If you want to make such broad pronouncements about a topic, try reading the article first.
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