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    Re: Israel-Palestine Talks Run Into Brick Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is simple nonsense on your part; it illustrates a willful attempt to misunderstand the points put to you for the sole purpose of not having to admit that the terrorists, not the Israelis, are responsible for the 'murder' of the 'innocent' civllians in Gaza.

    -Every- civilian that died while a terrorist hid among them was 'murdered' by the terrorists, not the Israelis.
    Hamas shot the civilians? That seems...rather stupid. Angry Palestinians are Hamas' recruitment pool, if you start shooting unarmed Palestinians, your recruitment pool is not going to want to join you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Hamas shot the civilians?
    Your deliberate obtuseness is noted. Allow me to be very clear:

    Hamas placed their positions among the civilians, knowing that those civilians would die when the Israelis attacked said positions; when Israeli ordnance hit the Hamas positions, civilians died as a result, just as Hamas hoped they would.

    Thus, the fault for the civilian deaths falls to Hamas, not the Israelis.

    Why do you refuse to blame the terrorists for these deaths?

    Angry Palestinians are Hamas' recruitment pool, if you start shooting unarmed Palestinians, your recruitment pool is not going to want to join you
    Unless the people in question are too stupid to see that Hamas is using them and their lives for PR -- which, by all appearances, is the case.

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    Re: Israel-Palestine Talks Run Into Brick Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Your deliberate obtuseness is noted. Allow me to be very clear:

    Hamas placed their positions among the civilians, knowing that those civilians would die when the Israelis attacked said positions; when Israeli ordnance hit the Hamas positions, civilians died as a result, just as Hamas hoped they would.

    Thus, the fault for the civilian deaths falls to Hamas, not the Israelis.

    Why do you refuse to blame the terrorists for these deaths?
    Because Israel has been in the business of fighting terrorism for decades, long enough to know that a frontal ground assault on a civilian area that contains terrorists is more liable to end up with twice the number of civilians killed as terrorists. The entire situation looks, to me, to be a case of Israel wanting revenge rather than security because they know damn well that is not the way to create security.

    Low-balling civilian casualty figures, firing on UN buildings and convoys as well as schools with children in them, use of restricted arms in a civilian area, this is not making me want to pat Israel on the back.

    On top it all, it didnt even ****ing work. Hamas rocket attacks are STILL going on, stronger and more numerous than ever.
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    Re: Israel-Palestine Talks Run Into Brick Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Because Israel has been in the business of fighting terrorism for decades, long enough to know that a frontal ground assault on a civilian area that contains terrorists is more liable to end up with twice the number of civilians killed as terrorists.
    As the terrorists are deliberately hiding among the civilians, then the civilian deaths are the fault of the terrorists. Your excuse is thus meaningless, and the question remains:

    Why do you refuse to blame the terrorists for these deaths?

    The REAL answer is quite simple - you dont -really- care about the Palestinian civilains, you just want to blame Israel for everything, and cheer every time the Israelis kill a human shiied, as it gives you more material to that end.

    Like the terrorists, you see Palestinain civilians as mere pawns.

    The entire situation looks, to me, to be a case of Israel wanting revenge rather than security because they know damn well that is not the way to create security.
    Yes, but you dont know what you're talking about, as you have illustrated quite plainly.
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    Re: Israel-Palestine Talks Run Into Brick Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    As the terrorists are deliberately hiding among the civilians, then the civilian deaths are the fault of the terrorists. Your excuse is thus meaningless, and the question remains:

    Why do you refuse to blame the terrorists for these deaths?

    You dont -really- care about the Palestinian civilains, you just want to blame Israel for everything, and cheer every time the Israelis kill a human shiied, as it gives you more material to that end.

    Like the terrorists, you see Palestinain civilians as mere pawns.
    Insult me and get my motives wrong all you want, it still doesnt change how badly this looks like revenge rather than a security operation.
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    Re: Israel-Palestine Talks Run Into Brick Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Insult me and get my motives wrong all you want....
    Oh, no -- I haven't gotten your motives wong at all.

    The fact that you refuse to place the blame for the deaths of human shields on those that use those human shields proves everything.

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    Re: Israel-Palestine Talks Run Into Brick Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Oh, no -- I haven't gotten your motives wong at all.

    The fact that you refuse to place the blame for the deaths of human shields on those that use those human shields proves everything.
    Again I had assumed that you understood I dont support Hamas, I also dont support Israel at this point. Simply because I'm not following up my criticisms of Israel's actions with an equal measure of criticism for Hamas doesnt mean that I somehow support Hamas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Again I had assumed that you understood I dont support Hamas...
    You refuse to hold them responsible for the deaths of theur human shields, and instead blame their opponent.
    That's support.

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    Re: Israel-Palestine Talks Run Into Brick Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You refuse to hold them responsible for the deaths of theur human shields, and instead blame their opponent.
    That's support.
    Are you going to ignore what I say when it doesnt fit in your mold or do you plan on addressing my entire statement?
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