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    Re: Israel-Palestine Talks Run Into Brick Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Haven't you realized how some people will continue to demonize Israel no matter how much the actual facts of the matter are against them? Talk about brick walls.
    But they can post youtube videos, Ludahai.

    What more do they need?
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    Re: Israel-Palestine Talks Run Into Brick Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    His point was that while the Israeli government allows Arabs to live and build in Israel-proper, the international community has a fit every time the Israelis so much as repair a house in the West Bank or East Jerusalem.
    I know what his point is, while you completely disregarded mine. The Israeli settlements are illegal under international law, that is not that difficult to comprehend.

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    Re: Israel-Palestine Talks Run Into Brick Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Those who support Juden free territories sure are.
    Do you have anything substantial to add besides idiotic one-line quips that only shows your inadequacy as a debater?

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    Re: Israel-Palestine Talks Run Into Brick Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Maybe I'm just not as "with it" as to be ok with shooting unarmed people but I fail to see that Cast Lead was any sort of success. Has Hamas surrendered? Has Hamas stopped firing rockets? Have they stopped attacking Israel?
    As several others have point out, the IDF does not aim for unarmed people. It goes after combatants who are using unarmed people as human shields.

    The Israelis did the same thing in Gaza that we did in Vietnam. We failed then and Israel failed this time.
    Not the same. Israel was only there for a very limited period of time. It failed due to pressure from the international community which was against Israel using force to protect itself from the scum in Gaza.

    I'm also none to thrilled with Israel trying to sneak the attack in as our elections were coming to a head, knowing probably that most Americans wouldnt be paying attention and that a president who would turn a blind eye to anything that happened would still be in office but so far along that he wouldnt care what happened.
    Of course -- another American believing the rest of the world operates on US election cycles. If anything, they MAY have done it knowing a Republican president would not be so quick to condemn Israel's legal and legitimate use of force as a Democratic president would be.
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    Re: Israel-Palestine Talks Run Into Brick Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    I know what his point is, while you completely disregarded mine. The Israeli settlements are illegal under international law, that is not that difficult to comprehend.
    So is launching rockets into Israeli civilian areas. So is using suicide bombers to terrorize Israeli civilians. Israel has legitimate defense needs. If the international community is so concerned about everyone following their own interpretations of international law, why don't they put boots on the ground and end Israel's need to take aggressive actions to ensure its security.
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    Re: Israel-Palestine Talks Run Into Brick Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    As several others have point out, the IDF does not aim for unarmed people. It goes after combatants who are using unarmed people as human shields.
    Again, I dont see that that legitimizes shooting civilians.

    Not the same. Israel was only there for a very limited period of time. It failed due to pressure from the international community which was against Israel using force to protect itself from the scum in Gaza.
    Did the operation at least work? Has Hamas stopped?

    Of course -- another American believing the rest of the world operates on US election cycles. If anything, they MAY have done it knowing a Republican president would not be so quick to condemn Israel's legal and legitimate use of force as a Democratic president would be.
    Israel receives boatloads of backing from the US, if they were to risk carrying on this attack while a president in office wouldnt support them, they know they'd lose support both politically and possibly militarily. The Israelis know that Bush would have turned a blind eye to what was going on
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    Re: Israel-Palestine Talks Run Into Brick Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So is launching rockets into Israeli civilian areas. So is using suicide bombers to terrorize Israeli civilians. Israel has legitimate defense needs. If the international community is so concerned about everyone following their own interpretations of international law, why don't they put boots on the ground and end Israel's need to take aggressive actions to ensure its security.


    What is exactly does this have to do with illegal settlements?

    Citing international law for defense and security reasons has little to do with Israel following the obligations of controlling occupied territory.

    And the last thing Israel wants is some independent force on its soil preventing them from using unproportional force.

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    Re: Israel-Palestine Talks Run Into Brick Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Again, I dont see that that legitimizes shooting civilians.
    The IDF is NOT deliberatly targeting civilians.

    Did the operation at least work? Has Hamas stopped?
    It may have worked had the Israelis been allowed to bring necessary and sufficient force for a prolonged period without pressure from the international community.

    Israel receives boatloads of backing from the US, if they were to risk carrying on this attack while a president in office wouldnt support them, they know they'd lose support both politically and possibly militarily. The Israelis know that Bush would have turned a blind eye to what was going on
    Bush SHOULD turn a blind eye and so should Obama because the Israelis have the right to protect its national boundaries from the terrorist government in Gaza.
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    Re: Israel-Palestine Talks Run Into Brick Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The IDF is NOT deliberatly targeting civilians.
    For the billionth time, I never claimed they were.

    It may have worked had the Israelis been allowed to bring necessary and sufficient force for a prolonged period without pressure from the international community.
    200+ combatants dead did NOTHING?

    Bush SHOULD turn a blind eye and so should Obama because the Israelis have the right to protect its national boundaries from the terrorist government in Gaza.
    Except that that protection comes off our dime. The US pours billions into Israel's military. Without US backing, Israel would probably be flattened in a month.
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    Re: Israel-Palestine Talks Run Into Brick Wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Again, I dont see that that legitimizes shooting civilians.
    It doesn't legitimize shooting civilians, and civilians were not being shot at.

    Terrorists were being shot at as a practice of the undeniable right to self defense of the Israeli citizens living in Southern Israel.
    That the Hamas terrorists have chosen to risk their own civilians by launching rockets from their bedrooms is tragic and disgusting, but unfortunately that's an integral part of fighting terrorism in hostile lands these days, and we can only try and minimize the casualties by dropping leaflets and phoning homes, as Israel did.(=Fact)

    So to sum that up, civilians were not shot at, they were standing next to terrorists who were legitimately shot at.
    Did the operation at least work? Has Hamas stopped?
    Yes.
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