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Palin: I snuck to Canada for healthcare

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Well, that about wraps this thread up. That was a dirty quicky.
 
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Councilman said:
Canada didn't have Socialized Medicine until 1968 when it began and started down hill from there.
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Just wanted to quote this for inaccuracy.

The Canadian Health Act took place in 1961 in the Federal Government, but before that each province has its own UHC system. The CHA simply unified and standardized the system.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Orion, look what you made me do! You made me thank Councilman. COUNCILMAN!

I feel dirty

Seriously she was:

1. A child, so she had no choice over the manner
2. Living in a part of the country in regards to medical service that likely few places in the country today are on par with
3. Not partaking in socialized medicine, as I'm pretty sure at that point Canada didn't have socialized medical care.

/Palin Attack fail
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1. It wasn't her choice but it's still ironic that she is here today because of the benefits from a socialized system.

2. That one may be true, but her family weren't a bunch of Canadian citizens, now were they?

3 is wrong, you shouldn't have thanked Councilman for that one.

I'm sorry you feel dirty :) Taking a bath in three parts water one part bleach should abade that feeling.
 
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Orion said:
1. It wasn't her choice but it's still ironic that she is here today because of the benefits from a socialized system.
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Not really, its coincidental.

2. That one may be true, but her family weren't a bunch of Canadian citizens, now were they?
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Nope, they weren't. That said the situation in Alaska at that time in regards to the availability of medical care, and the closest American medical care, is likely leagues different than the current situation in the vast majority of the United States.

3 is wrong, you shouldn't have thanked Councilman for that one.
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Has it definitely been shown that the time in which she went was after the point where it became socialized?

Seriously, this still doesn't change /palin attack fail. She didn't choose for it to happen, the situation in Alaska at that time was likely unlike any situation you'd find in the vast majority of the US currently, and nothing says that because it helped her family in youth that it means it would be the best option for the entire country.

Its mindless idiocy from a media and people who are obsessed, and pathetically so, with insulting, belittling, and smearing Palin at any and every possible oppertunity.

(edit...not thinkin the OP was attempting to go out of his way to attack Palin, was meaning the person writing the article)
 
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Oftencold said:
I think we're done here.

Palin: We went to Canada for health care
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While I agree that Ms. Palin's parents bear the burden of responsibility for whatever this supposed faux pas is supposed to be, it's a bit odd that she has given two different versions on the story of her brother's burn (from above link):

Version 1:
"My first five years of life we spent in Skagway, Alaska, right there by Whitehorse: Believe it or not, this was in the 60's, we used to hustle over the border for health care that we would receive in Whitehorse," Palin told the crowd.

"I remember my brother, he burned his ankle in some little kid accident thing and my parents had to put him on a train and rush him over to Whitehorse and I think, isn't that kind of ironic now," Palin added. "Zooming over the border, getting health care from Canada."
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Version 2:
In 2007, the Skagway News reported:

"Palin drew from her Skagway past to illustrate her point. Her brother burned his foot badly jumping through a fire and her mother had to take him down to Juneau on the ferry to the hospital.

"'All these years later, that's still what people have to rely on here in some instances,' she said."
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As to the OP:

The only way in which this would have any relevance (even if we pretend that she wasn't six at the time and was responsible for making this choice) would be if her parents looked at the Canadian option v. the US option and chose the Canadian option because of some feature of Canada's universal health care system.

Given that:

1) The reason why they went to a Canadian hospital as opposed to a US hospital was because the Canadian hospital was 2 hours closer than the US one, and
2) The province she went to did not have a program even remotely resembling universal health care until the 70's,

I can't imagine how this is a story other than for amusement.


Glinda said:
While I agree that Ms. Palin's parents bear the burden of responsibility for whatever this supposed faux pas is supposed to be, it's a bit odd that she has given two different versions on the story of her brother's burn (from above link):

Version 1:


Version 2:
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Politician embellishes bull**** human interest story. Details at eleven.
 
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megaprogman said:
I'm going to agree with Oftencold on this one. This is something her parents did while she was a kid, so you can't really accuse her of this one.
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But we can blame her for lying. :mrgreen:

"I remember my brother, he burned his ankle in some little kid accident thing and my parents had to put him on a train and rush him over to Whitehorse and I think, isn't that
kind of ironic now," Palin added.
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"Palin drew from her Skagway past to illustrate her point. Her brother burned his foot badly jumping through a fire and her mother had to take him down to Juneau on the ferry to the hospital.

"'All these years later, that's still what people have to rely on here in some instances,' she said."
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Or maybe her brother has a problem with burning his lower extremities... :roll:

Let's not also forget that she has access to Indian Health Services because of her husbands heritage. I love a good Sarah Palin the liar/hypocrite story.
Shannyn Moore: More Palin Hypocrisy: Tripp Has Government Provided Health Insurance
 
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RightinNYC said:
As to the OP:

The only way in which this would have any relevance (even if we pretend that she wasn't six at the time and was responsible for making this choice) would be if her parents looked at the Canadian option v. the US option and chose the Canadian option because of some feature of Canada's universal health care system.

Given that:

1) The reason why they went to a Canadian hospital as opposed to a US hospital was because the Canadian hospital was 2 hours closer than the US one, and
2) The province she went to did not have a program even remotely resembling universal health care until the 70's,

I can't imagine how this is a story other than for amusement.




Politician embellishes bull**** human interest story. Details at eleven.
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Would you so readily sweep lies and hypocrisy under the rug if this were an Obama story?
 
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NoJingoLingo said:
Would you so readily sweep lies and hypocrisy under the rug if this were an Obama story?
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Seeing how Right is generally an objective, intellectually honest person unlike some people that don't let the facts of a story interrupt their fervent obsession to insult Palin...yeah, I'm guessing he would.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING.



As you can see, Alaska was NOT Russian Territory. It was purchased from Russia in 1867 and was a US Territory (after being governed by the military) by 1884. It became a STATE in 1959.

Even with your inaccurate information being said, I would question the availability of medical care in Skagway in the '60s. I'm not sure that Whitehorse was much better, but as the capital of the Yukon Territory, it probably was, so it would make sense to try to get the best medical care available.
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Actually, the notion that Alaska was Russian territory for longer than it was is a pretty common misconception born of the fact that until the mid 1920's, most of the population of Alaska was either Natives or Russian prospectors, trappers, and hunters.

Skagway, in the 1960's, was barely a dot on the map. Skagway, present day, is barely a dot on the map. If I lived in Skagway, I would probably go Whitehorse for medical treatment, too.
 
I have to ask this:

What was her point in telling this story? What was the context? Why did she choose to recite this story to a Canadian audience when she has sharply criticized our system for the last few years? This is what is puzzling to me.
 
Middleground said:
I have to ask this:

What was her point in telling this story? What was the context? Why did she choose to recite this story to a Canadian audience when she has sharply criticized our system for the last few years? This is what is puzzling to me.
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I dunno. But it isn't like speakers don't tailor their anecdotes to the audience all the time. It's part of being a good public speaker.
 
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NoJingoLingo said:
Would you so readily sweep lies and hypocrisy under the rug if this were an Obama story?
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If you read my post you'd see that the claims of "hypocrisy" are moronic, so what you're really asking me is this:

"If Obama told a cutesy story about something that happened when he was 5 to one group of people, and then three years later, told the same cutesy story but with one minor difference, would you be acting the same way?"

I can confidently say that I wouldn't give a **** in that case either.
 
jallman said:
I dunno. But it isn't like speakers don't tailor their anecdotes to the audience all the time. It's part of being a good public speaker.
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Maybe she should have picked another anecdote. And frankly, I find it odd that she didn't think her story would not make waves. Rightly or wrongly.
 
Just to note

The Yukon is not a province but a territory
 
jallman said:
I dunno. But it isn't like speakers don't tailor their anecdotes to the audience all the time. It's part of being a good public speaker.
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Like Huey Long's grandparents's religion changed to suit the audience he was speaking to. In North Louisiana he would talk about hitching up the buck-board to take his Baptist grandparents to church. In South Louisiana he would talk about hitching up the buck-board to take his Catholic grandparents to mass.
 
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DarkWizard12 said:
lol it wow, it was supposed to be a joke.
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Fair enough: Explain to us what's so funning about this statement:

"We used to hustle over the border for healthcare we received in Canada," she said, according to Medicine Hat News (via Dave Weigel.) "And I think now, 'Isn't that ironic?' "
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So while growing up in an Alaskan town near the Canadian border, her family used to cross the border to take advantage of the Canadian healthcare system

It certainly is ironic -- Palin admitting that.

No one sneaks to canada, you CAN'T sneak to canada, you have to be a canadian citizen!
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The Hill used the word "sneak" -- Palin used the word "hustle". I think we all understood what she meant. I think you do, too, but couldn't resist making a jackass remark...

lol you got trolled by palin. How's it feel?
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So, Palin admitted to crossing the border for health care. The Hill relayed the statement (which is all over the place now) and that's 'trolling'...

I'm not sure you know what that word means.

And I'm positive Palin doesn't know what 'ironic' means...

Like Bill O'Reilly said, she just needs to go to college...:cheers::tongue4:
 
American said:
It's CC's fault, he made you do that. :mrgreen:
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Redress said:
I always approve of blaming CC. I think we are agreed then, right and left coming together on an issue of real importance.
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I seem to have this knack of bringing American and Redress together on issues. :mrgreen:
 
Middleground said:
What was her point in telling this story? What was the context? Why did she choose to recite this story to a Canadian audience when she has sharply criticized our system for the last few years? This is what is puzzling to me.
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1) She wants to be loved so bad, she'll tell them something she really shouldn't. Not ironic, just stupid.

or

2) The 'sleeping with the hockey team' story might have be inappropriate...
 
hazlnut said:
1) She wants to be loved so bad, she'll tell them something she really shouldn't. Not ironic, just stupid.

or

2) The 'sleeping with the hockey team' story might have be inappropriate...
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:roll::roll::roll:
 
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azura28 said:
:lol: You never knew that the U.S. bought Alaska from the Russians? Yes, it is true - ever heard of 'history'?:roll:
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I'll ignore your sarcastic tone because I'm on good behavior. :lol:

Look again at the sentence I quoted. What is bolded?
 
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ADK_Forever said:
I'll ignore your sarcastic tone because I'm on good behavior. :lol:

Look again at the sentence I quoted. What is bolded?
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Your reply was bolded to make a point - and your inferring that meant that you already knew about the sale of the land? Okay.......:)
 
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azura28 said:
Your reply was bolded to make a point - and your inferring that meant that you already knew about the sale of the land? Okay.......:)
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Okee dokie. :cool:
 
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