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    Re: Eric Massa slams Democrat leaders for ethics probe

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but is an absence of class a legitimate basis to run the guy out of office? if that were the standard the halls of congress would almost be empty

    let's see what massa had to say for the incident behind the 'probe':
    Massa: Rahm is íson of the devilís spawn,í confronted me in shower | Raw Story
    sounds like the kind of candid, playful discussion i have encountered with friends who are openly gay. those who would be offended by it are those who are uncomfortable in their own heterosexuality.
    rangel's ethicals lapseS, murtha's ethical lapseS, reid's ethical lapseS ...
    rather than list the dozens, read this for yourself
    Dozens in Congress under ethics inquiry - washingtonpost.com
    my challenge to you is to identify someone among them whose violation was for a lesser transgression than massa
    clearly, there is a double standard at work when they stay and he leaves
    You choose to believe his allegations of being run off. I don't. It's really that simple.

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    Re: Eric Massa slams Democrat leaders for ethics probe

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    You choose to believe his allegations of being run off. I don't. It's really that simple.
    if it were that simple you would have accepted my challenge and identified which of the remaining congressional members under ethics investigation has committed a violation which is found by you to be less significant than massa's transgression
    you have chosen not to do so
    while you may disagree with my position, it is not that simple ... unless you believe that the (absence of) integrity of congressional leaders and their willingness to impose a double standard to achieve political objectives is something simple
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    Re: Eric Massa slams Democrat leaders for ethics probe

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if it were that simple you would have accepted my challenge and identified which of the remaining congressional members under ethics investigation has committed a violation which is found by you to be less significant than massa's transgression
    you have chosen not to do so
    while you may disagree with my position, it is not that simple ... unless you believe that the (absence of) integrity of congressional leaders and their willingness to impose a double standard to achieve political objectives is something simple
    Tell me why what other members are being investigated for matters. So he shouldn't be investigated since his transgressions are less offensive? What are you getting at?

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    Re: Eric Massa slams Democrat leaders for ethics probe

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Tell me why what other members are being investigated for matters. So he shouldn't be investigated since his transgressions are less offensive? What are you getting at?
    this concept called a 'double standard', which i have repeatedly introduced into the discussion, relies on comparing the actions toward one element of a group with the actions taken against other elements within that group to determine if there is disparate treatment present
    it appears you hold the belief that those who have committed the most severe violations are the ones who are entitled to the least punishment
    at least that is what appears from your defense of this "simple" action
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Eric Massa slams Democrat leaders for ethics probe

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    this concept called a 'double standard', which i have repeatedly introduced into the discussion, relies on comparing the actions toward one element of a group with the actions taken against other elements within that group to determine if there is disparate treatment present
    it appears you hold the belief that those who have committed the most severe violations are the ones who are entitled to the least punishment
    at least that is what appears from your defense of this "simple" action
    Huh? How did you come up with that conclusion? That makes no sense to me.

    My point is that a complaint comes into the Ethics Committee, and it MUST be investigated. I'm willing to wait to see what comes out of the investigation, as I trust the thoroughness with which these investigations are done. The COMMITTEE as a whole--both Democrats and Republicans vote on the outcome. I have a hard time thinking that bogus claims are successful.

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    Re: Eric Massa slams Democrat leaders for ethics probe

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Massa sounds like a loser. You're a Congressman acting like that at a wedding? Do you have any self respect?
    Agreed. he should have stuck to time honored practices of shagging interns, accepting free travel and pocketing cash.

    On a serious note, this one doesn't pass the smell test. Sounds like that hardball Chicago style politics is coming into play. Massa sounds like a discourteous lout Until now, that has not been a disqualifying trait.
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    Re: Eric Massa slams Democrat leaders for ethics probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Mick View Post
    On a serious note, this one doesn't pass the smell test. Sounds like that hardball Chicago style politics is coming into play. Massa sounds like a discourteous lout Until now, that has not been a disqualifying trait.
    This whole line of argument never really made much sense to me. Does anyone think that having him get investigated by the ethics committee helps the Democrats on the whole? While I guess I can see the convoluted logic that would lead one to say it (marginally) could help with regards to the health bill, any benefits from that would be far outweighed by the reputational hit that the party is taking, the loss of his vote on other matters, and the ever-present possibility that he would do...this.

    Given the supremely creepy way in which he's describing his own actions, I think it's safe to say that he's fallen into some deep water and is clutching at whatever he can to keep himself from drowning.
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    Re: Eric Massa slams Democrat leaders for ethics probe

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This whole line of argument never really made much sense to me. Does anyone think that having him get investigated by the ethics committee helps the Democrats on the whole? While I guess I can see the convoluted logic that would lead one to say it (marginally) could help with regards to the health bill, any benefits from that would be far outweighed by the reputational hit that the party is taking, the loss of his vote on other matters, and the ever-present possibility that he would do...this.

    Given the supremely creepy way in which he's describing his own actions, I think it's safe to say that he's fallen into some deep water and is clutching at whatever he can to keep himself from drowning.
    Are you implying that the ethics committee can automatically reject a complaint because it doesn't help the party in charge?

    A complaint is filed by multiple sources and it MUST be investigated. There are no, "Well, Joe Shmo, this looks like a stupid complaint. Bye." No. The employees must investigate it and provide a report to the ENTIRE COMMITTEE made up of both Democrats and Republicans, who then vote as to what should happen with the complaint. It's not about appearances for either party.

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    Re: Eric Massa slams Democrat leaders for ethics probe

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Are you implying that the ethics committee can automatically reject a complaint because it doesn't help the party in charge?

    A complaint is filed by multiple sources and it MUST be investigated. There are no, "Well, Joe Shmo, this looks like a stupid complaint. Bye." No. The employees must investigate it and provide a report to the ENTIRE COMMITTEE made up of both Democrats and Republicans, who then vote as to what should happen with the complaint. It's not about appearances for either party.
    Probably not dismissed entirely, but as we've seen many times, it can get placed on the back burner and take years to resolve.

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    Re: Eric Massa slams Democrat leaders for ethics probe

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    Democrats are eating their own now in order to get this healthcare bill jammed through the House.
    what utter crap. you guys should really make up your minds, either you think values are important, or you don't.
    massa is insane.


    The House will consider a Senate version of the health-care bill later this month, and if all lawmakers voted as they did in the November vote on health care, Democratic leaders would have precisely 216 votes. But dozens are considering switching their votes -- some from no to yes and others from yes to no -- making it impossible to determine whether Massa's vote would have been "deciding."

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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