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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

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    What could possibly give you the idea that I've ever supported Byrd???
    Seems like you were supporting his position:

    Gill - "A Dem that should know doesn't agree with you:

    Robert Byrd"
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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Seems like you were supporting his position:

    Gill - "A Dem that should know doesn't agree with you:

    Robert Byrd"
    I said he should know since he wrote the Byrd Rule covering this situation, but it appears he can be bought like most Dems.

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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I said he should know since he wrote the Byrd Rule covering this situation, but it appears he can be bought like most Dems.
    Or, since there is no proof whatsoever of your just made up claim suggesting bribery, the much more likely case is that he correctly recognizes that deficit reduction amendments are proper items for reconciliation just as he stated.
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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Or, since there is no proof whatsoever of your just made up claim suggesting bribery, the much more likely case is that he correctly recognizes that deficit reduction amendments are proper items for reconciliation just as he stated.
    OR, he is a typical Dem and flip-flops as the situation demands......

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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    OR, he is a typical Dem and flip-flops as the situation demands......
    We will see if that is the case, or not, if health care reform is approved to go through Reconciliation by the Congressional Parliamentarian (a Republican appointee).
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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We will see if that is the case, or not, if health care reform is approved to go through Reconciliation by the Congressional Parliamentarian (a Republican appointee).
    The parliamentarian only advises whether it is eligible for reconciliation. Final approval comes from the president of the senate, Joe Biden, who can overrule the advice of the parliamentarian.

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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

    From Gill's post #16:

    Quote by Sen. Robert Byrd
    "I oppose using the budget reconciliation process to pass health care reform and climate change legislation.... As one of the authors of the reconciliation process, I can tell you that the ironclad parliamentary procedures it authorizes were never intended for this purpose."
    Keep in mind that Sen. Byrd's quota above was from a memo dated April 2, 2009 prior to the health care reform debate going into full swing. (See link in post #16 for details)

    Quote from Robert Byrd recently clarifying his position on the use of reconciliation regarding health care reform legistlation:

    “Yet a bill structured to reduce deficits by, for example, finding savings in Medicare or lowering health care costs, may be consisten[/I]t with the Budget Act, and appropriately considered under reconciliation.”
    Byrd Defends Use of Reconciliation - Prescriptions Blog - NYTimes.com
    From Title 2, Ch. 17A, Subch. I, Sect. 641 of the U.S. Code on the Recociliation process:

    (a) Inclusion of reconciliation directives in concurrent resolutions on the budget

    A concurrent resolution on the budget for any fiscal year, to the extent necessary to effectuate the provisions and requirements of such resolution, shall—

    (1) specify the total amount by which—

    (A) new budget authority for such fiscal year;
    (B) budget authority initially provided for prior fiscal years;
    (C) new entitlement authority which is to become effective during such fiscal year; and
    (D) credit authority for such fiscal year,
    contained in laws, bills, and resolutions within the jurisdiction of a committee, is to be changed and direct that committee to determine and recommend changes to accomplish a change of such total amount;
    (2) specify the total amount by which revenues are to be changed and direct that the committees having jurisdiction to determine and recommend changes in the revenue laws, bills, and resolutions to accomplish a change of such total amount;
    (3) specify the amounts by which the statutory limit on the public debt is to be changed and direct the committee having jurisdiction to recommend such change; or
    (4) specify and direct any combination of the matters described in paragraphs (1), (2), and (3) (including a direction to achieve deficit reduction).
    I believe Senate Dems will use the rule under subparagraphs (a)(1)(C) and (a)(2) above to justify using the reconciliation process. Since both versions of health care reform legistlation provide for "entitlements" (subsidies) and atleast the Senate version came out of a specific Senate Committee and either bill will affect future budget deficits (hopefully reducing them), I'd say the Dems are well within their right to use this legistlative procedure. Hence, the reason Sen. Byrd may now have a different point of view on the matter:

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I guess you are not aware that your hero, Robert Byrd, has since clarified his position on reconciliation regarding health care reform:

    Robert Byrd - “Yet a bill structured to reduce deficits by, for example, finding savings in Medicare or lowering health care costs, may be consistent with the Budget Act, and appropriately considered under reconciliation.”
    Byrd Defends Use of Reconciliation - Prescriptions Blog - NYTimes.com

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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    From Gill's post #16:

    Quote by Sen. Robert Byrd


    Keep in mind that Sen. Byrd's quota above was from a memo dated April 2, 2009 prior to the health care reform debate going into full swing. (See link in post #16 for details)

    Quote from Robert Byrd recently clarifying his position on the use of reconciliation regarding health care reform legistlation:



    From Title 2, Ch. 17A, Subch. I, Sect. 641 of the U.S. Code on the Recociliation process:



    I believe Senate Dems will use the rule under subparagraphs (a)(1)(C) and (a)(2) above to justify using the reconciliation process. Since both versions of health care reform legistlation provide for "entitlements" (subsidies) and atleast the Senate version came out of a specific Senate Committee and either bill will affect future budget deficits (hopefully reducing them), I'd say the Dems are well within their right to use this legistlative procedure. Hence, the reason Sen. Byrd may now have a different point of view on the matter:
    I hope they do... it will provide endless hours of entertainment as Republicans offer thousands of amendments and objections to each and every reconciliation that will be considered.

    And if that wasn't enough fun, we'll get to watch them all get toasted at town halls during their upcoming recesses, if they are not to cowardly to have them.

    We then get the icing on the cake... watching them all get voted out of office.

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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I hope they do... it will provide endless hours of entertainment as Republicans offer thousands of amendments and objections to each and every reconciliation that will be considered.

    And if that wasn't enough fun, we'll get to watch them all get toasted at town halls during their upcoming recesses, if they are not to cowardly to have them.

    We then get the icing on the cake... watching them all get voted out of office.
    You're referring to Senate Dems I presume?

    As for the endless stream of Senate amendments, I think that's what the reconciliation process is all about - stopping Senators from doing just that. Hence, the rationale for a simple up or down straight majority vote.

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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You're referring to Senate Dems I presume?

    As for the endless stream of Senate amendments, I think that's what the reconciliation process is all about - stopping Senators from doing just that. Hence, the rationale for a simple up or down straight majority vote.
    No, no, no... Republicans can offer an unlimited number of objections and amendments. Each small piece of the bill must be voted on separately and the Republicans can start over each time.

    Read up on how the actual process works.

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