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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Oh look....

    Tax and or budget – The 2001 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 1836, 3/26/01]
    Tax and or budget – The 2003 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 2, 3/23/03]
    Tax and or budget – Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 [HR 4297, 5/11/06]
    Tax and or budget – The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 [H. Con Res. 95, 12/21/05]"

    Changes to reconciliation I think Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1980
    Tax and or budget Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981
    Tax and or budget Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982
    Tax and or budget Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1982
    Tax and or budget Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1983
    Tax and or budget Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985
    Tax and or budget Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1986
    Tax and or budget Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987
    Tax and or budget Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1989
    Tax and or budget Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990
    Tax and or budget Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993
    Tax and or budget Balanced Budget Act of 1995 (vetoed)
    Tax and or budget Personal Responsibility and Budget Reconciliation Act of 1996
    Tax and or budget Balanced Budget Act of 1997
    Tax and or budget Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997
    Tax and or budget Taxpayer Refund and Relief Act of 1999 (vetoed)
    Tax and or budget Marriage Tax Relief Act of 2000 (vetoed)
    Tax and or budget Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001
    Tax and or budget Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003
    Tax and or budget The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005
    Tax and or budget Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005"

    While definitely there are some within that grouping that stretches and bends the notion of reconcilliation and I would be against its use in such situations, none of them are even close in comparison to the Health Care bill which does not simply stretch and bend the purposes of reconciliation but shatters it.

    Funny how no one is using the term the "nuclear option". The Dems are going to use the "Nuclear Option". I mean, we heard that all the time when talking about using Senate Rules to do a majority vote for Republicans in past years and yet somehow such a negative connotation never seems to be how its described here. Odd that....
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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How is the will of the people meaningless when a majority of our representatives do what we elected them to do???

    Reconciliation has been used widely in the past, especially by Republicans. Were all of these votes against the will of the people?

    "Despite their howls against Obama, Republicans employed the same procedure to pass major Bush agenda items (which were supported by all four aforementioned Senators):

    – The 2001 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 1836, 3/26/01]
    – The 2003 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 2, 3/23/03]
    – Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 [HR 4297, 5/11/06]
    – The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 [H. Con Res. 95, 12/21/05]"

    "While Republicans seem to be experiencing a particular form of political amnesia from the Bush years, they ought to be reminded that budget reconciliation has been used by several other presidents, including Clinton and Reagan. In fact, Republicans — with Bond and Gregg among the leaders of the charge — were instrumental in pushing through key provisions of their signature legislative agenda, the Contract with America, using budget reconciliation.

    A list of instances where reconciliation was implemented:

    Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1980
    Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981
    Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982
    Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1982
    Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1983
    Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985
    Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1986
    Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987
    Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1989
    Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990
    Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993
    Balanced Budget Act of 1995 (vetoed)
    Personal Responsibility and Budget Reconciliation Act of 1996
    Balanced Budget Act of 1997
    Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997
    Taxpayer Refund and Relief Act of 1999 (vetoed)
    Marriage Tax Relief Act of 2000 (vetoed)
    Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001
    Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003
    The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005
    Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005"
    Think Progress GOP Senators Who Used Budget Reconciliation To Pass Bush Agenda Items Now Calling It ‘Chicago Style Politics’
    It looks like in all of the examples above are BUDGET items, not something that changes an entitlement that impacts all of our lives.

    Thanks for the list that proves what opponents of reconciliation are talking about.

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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post

    Thanks for the list.....
    You are welcome! Some seem to think this legislation cannot be passed under a reconciliation vote, but they have forgotten this legislation will reduce the deficit and is therefore applicable to the reconciliation process.

    "reconciliation rules are traditionally used for deficit reduction and health care reform will reduce the deficit."

    President Obama to Say Democrats Will Use Reconciliation to Pass Senate Health Care Reform Fix, If Not Given Up or Down Vote - Political Punch
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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are welcome! Some seem to think this legislation cannot be passed under a reconciliation vote, but they have forgotten this legislation will reduce the deficit and is therefore applicable to the reconciliation process.

    "reconciliation rules are traditionally used for deficit reduction and health care reform will reduce the deficit."

    President Obama to Say Democrats Will Use Reconciliation to Pass Senate Health Care Reform Fix, If Not Given Up or Down Vote - Political Punch
    Damn, talk about stretching the truth to the nth degree. LOL

    Those are budgetary items. You just proved the Republicans point. Well done.

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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are welcome! Some seem to think this legislation cannot be passed under a reconciliation vote, but they have forgotten this legislation will reduce the deficit and is therefore applicable to the reconciliation process.

    "reconciliation rules are traditionally used for deficit reduction and health care reform will reduce the deficit."

    President Obama to Say Democrats Will Use Reconciliation to Pass Senate Health Care Reform Fix, If Not Given Up or Down Vote - Political Punch
    A Dem that should know doesn't agree with you:

    "I oppose using the budget reconciliation process to pass health care reform and climate change legislation.... As one of the authors of the reconciliation process, I can tell you that the ironclad parliamentary procedures it authorizes were never intended for this purpose."
    Robert Byrd

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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    A Dem that should know doesn't agree with you:



    Robert Byrd
    I guess you are not aware that your hero, Robert Byrd, has since clarified his position on reconciliation regarding health care reform:

    Robert Byrd - “Yet a bill structured to reduce deficits by, for example, finding savings in Medicare or lowering health care costs, may be consistent with the Budget Act, and appropriately considered under reconciliation.”
    Byrd Defends Use of Reconciliation - Prescriptions Blog - NYTimes.com
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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I guess you are not aware that your hero, Robert Byrd, has since clarified his position on reconciliation regarding health care reform:

    Robert Byrd - “Yet a bill structured to reduce deficits by, for example, finding savings in Medicare or lowering health care costs, may be consistent with the Budget Act, and appropriately considered under reconciliation.”
    Byrd Defends Use of Reconciliation - Prescriptions Blog - NYTimes.com
    A flip-flop wouldn't surprise me... after all he is a dem.

    We'll see an announcement in a few months that $500 million has been awarded West Virginia for a new Byrd Airport.

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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    A flip-flop wouldn't surprise me... after all he is a dem.

    We'll see an announcement in a few months that $500 million has been awarded West Virginia for a new Byrd Airport.
    So you have flip-flopped in your support of Byrd now based on the new info I provided?
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    Re: Health Care Summit Squabbles

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you have flip-flopped in your support of Byrd now based on the new info I provided?
    What could possibly give you the idea that I've ever supported Byrd???

    Hint: Quoting someone is not supporting them.

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