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CPAC: Ron Paul wins CPAC straw poll - ends Romney's CPAC domination

chevydriver1123 said:
He doesnt, alot of the "principled" cons here on this forum dont know squat between the two. Its easier just to call us commies and be done with it.
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Oh, I know. Expecting blind party loyalists to understand such a distinction is far too much to ask. It takes a lot less brainpower to call us "lefty" or some other ridiculous epithet.
chevydriver1123 said:
Another thing I noticed from the reactions from the "principled" people here and on conservative blogs if Palin or Romney won you can bet your ass they would be signing a different tune.
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Probably. I'm not reading much of anything into a straw poll. Winning a straw poll simply means you were able to turn out the most supporters that particular night. In any event, there's no way in Hell the GOP leadership would let Paul get within a country mile of the nomination. They're hooked on the money and power every bit as much as any Democrat.
 
Coronado said:
Do you know the difference between isolationism and non-interventionism?
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I think we both know the answer to that one. It's especially difficult to be honest and acknowledge the difference when you wish to continually rail against the only guy we regularly see arguing against large, intrusive, expensive government. But some people really want their large, intrusive, expensive government and will engage in any amount of misinformation and purposeful spin in order to try to keep it.
 
danarhea said:
I agree. As much as I like Ron Paul, he has one flaw that kills his chances. He has no charisma.
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There is another flaw that utterly kills Paul's chances, the man is 77 years old. ;)
 
Coronado said:
He's an isolationist because he's a Libertarian?

Wrong on both counts.
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Coronado, you probably didn't hear all of the things that I heard during Libertarian Party meetings, and you probably didn't read what I read in Libertarian publications. I don't know about now, but back then there was a strong isolationist faction within the Libertarian Party, and the Party did make Ron Paul its presidential candidate.
 
Goyboy said:
Coronado, you probably didn't hear all of the things that I heard during Libertarian Party meetings, and you probably didn't read what I read in Libertarian publications. I don't know about now, but back then there was a strong isolationist faction within the Libertarian Party, and the Party did make Ron Paul its presidential candidate.
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You spoke in the present tense. Paul may be a libertarian now, but he is no longer a Libertarian, as he is a Republican. Also, he is now a non-interventionist, which is different than isolationism.
 
Ikari said:
I think we both know the answer to that one. It's especially difficult to be honest and acknowledge the difference when you wish to continually rail against the only guy we regularly see arguing against large, intrusive, expensive government. But some people really want their large, intrusive, expensive government and will engage in any amount of misinformation and purposeful spin in order to try to keep it.
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This thread is not about me but lets just say I have forgotten more about those 2 words then you and your bunk buddy will ever know........
 
Navy Pride said:
This thread is not about me but lets just say I have forgotten more about those 2 words then you and your bunk buddy will ever know........
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Nobody is making the thread about you. I just want to know if you know the difference between isolationism and non-interventionism. So far you have yet to show that you do.
 
Coronado said:
Nobody is making the thread about you. I just want to know if you know the difference between isolationism and non-interventionism. So far you have yet to show that you do.
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I don't have to questions from far out lefties like you
 
Navy Pride said:
I don't have to questions from far out lefties like you
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You don't have to what to questions?

And for the record, I'm right handed.
 
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Coronado said:
You spoke in the present tense. Paul may be a libertarian now, but he is no longer a Libertarian, as he is a Republican. Also, he is now a non-interventionist, which is different than isolationism.
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Does he still advocate going back to the gold standard?
 
Deuce said:
Does he still advocate going back to the gold standard?
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As of a few months ago yes

Nothing wrong with that, helps control government spending and definately controls inflation better then the current system
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
As of a few months ago yes

Nothing wrong with that, helps control government spending and definately controls inflation better then the current system
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No, actually it simply fails to work and the economy grinds to a halt.

edit: Also, gold is a shiny rock with no intrinsic value.
 
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Deuce said:
No, actually it simply fails to work and the economy grinds to a halt.

edit: Also, gold is a shiny rock with no intrinsic value.
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Gold has artistic value in jewlry, industrial uses, and is a historic store of wealth
The paper dollar you get paid in has no intrinsic value, but the one you and people you trade with feel it has

That paper dollar can be made worthless overnight to anyone in the world should the government decide to pump the press's or switch to a new currency.

Gold on the other hand can be bought and sold as it has been for thousands of years.

Overall in 300 years, if you have $100 000 USD under your bed or $100 000 worth of gold (bought today) what do you think would still hold any value. It sure as heck wont be the USD

I will say to reconvert the US to a gold standard would be very difficult as the number of USD in the world has sky rocketed from the time Nixon took the US off it entirely
 
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Deuce said:
No, actually it simply fails to work and the economy grinds to a halt.

edit: Also, gold is a shiny rock with no intrinsic value.
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What does have an intrinsic value? Paper money sure as hell doesn't.

Precious metals comes the closest to having an intrinsic value as far as I can think of.
 
It's only a "precious" metal due to rarity and cosmetic appeal. It doesn't do anything. It's soft, heavy, and has physical properties exceeded in every way by other substances.

Switching back to gold is a pipe dream. The US government simply does not have possession of sufficient quantities of gold to match currency already in circulation. You'd end up setting an utterly artificial "value" to the gold if you wanted the numbers to line up. Either that, or a lot of checks start to bounce.

Paper money can have whatever value we say it has. Gold has to be matched with a physical substance. Switching back at this stage of the game is a sudden shift in the value of either money or gold, neither of which the market is going to accept, especially the international market.

It just wont work. The world is not what it was forty years ago.
 
Deuce said:
and has physical properties exceeded in every way by other substances.
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It has terrific thermal carrier capacity. Much better than aluminum or even copper. My adviser had joked about making a DAVLL out of gold because it had better thermal properties...but we're not really that rich.

And we'll never go back to gold or silver backed money because those two markets can actually be cornered. And when that happens, you lose control. Fiat, like it or not, is necessary in today's world.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Wouldn't it be funny if far more people liked Ron Paul than the news told you? 0_0 <-- serious face
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Of course far more people like Ron Paul then the news admits... that's why there was such a concerted effort by the MSM to slander him in any way possible.

If he had been given a fair chance, he would in all likelihood have been elected president... or at least have given Obama a run for his money.
 
Ron Paul is a joke........all he did was help Obama get elected by taking votes away from McCain...
 
Navy Pride said:
Ron Paul is a joke........all he did was help Obama get elected by taking votes away from McCain...
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What are you basing that on??

I mean, is that based on his platform?? Or is it based on the MSM that TOLD YOU that he was a joke??

You'll probably claim the former, but I would wager the latter.
 
Navy Pride said:
Ron Paul is a joke........all he did was help Obama get elected by taking votes away from McCain...
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Not really. Ron Paul got about 20,000 votes in the general election. McCain lost the popular vote by about 10 million votes.

In other words, MATH FAIL. :sarcasticclap
 
BmanMcfly said:
What are you basing that on??

I mean, is that based on his platform?? Or is it based on the MSM that TOLD YOU that he was a joke??

You'll probably claim the former, but I would wager the latter.
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Because Conservatives usually vote Republican and he siphoned some of those votes from McCain although he was no factor..........
 
Coronado said:
Not really. Ron Paul got about 20,000 votes in the general election. McCain lost the popular vote by about 10 million votes.

In other words, MATH FAIL. :sarcasticclap
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That is because Paul was for all purposes put of the race long before the election..

You missed your caling my left wing friend your a funny guy, Not.....
 
Navy Pride said:
That is because Paul was for all purposes put of the race long before the election..
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So he was out of the race but still drew enough votes to influence the election? Does that make sense to you?
Navy Pride said:
You missed your caling my left wing friend your a funny guy, Not.....
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Compounding a math fail with an English fail and a political spectrum fail. Very impressive! :sarcasticclap
 
***** Those who still see some credibility or value in Paul at this stage are "Tilting at Windmills" because he's going nowhere. All he can do is make noise at some restricted gathering or in a crowded GOP primary. He appeals to Purists - some of whom have moved Leftwards without realizing it.
 
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