It's highly questionable if these people even care about reality anymore. Obama in many ways is a copy of Bush, enacting the same fiscal policies. Bush pushed through a very socialized drug bill. Apparently when a Republican enacts an actual socialist bill, it's okay, but when a Democrat pushes a very-NOT-socialist bill, it's socialist. These people define words as they see fit without any actual understanding of the terms.
What I don't get is why these people aren't in arms over Republicans pushing for more funding for the VA. The VA is by definition of how it works socialized medicine. The state controls the means of production by hiring the doctors, owning the hospitals and directly providing the medical services. So apparently Republicans asking for more funding of a socialized medical system is okay and is noble. But at the same time socialized medicine is evil.
Huh. Ignorance and lack of education right there.
"If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu
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This seems to be the rule with Obama voters or at least enough to put him in the WH.
It does seem you have a distorted view as to the role of Govt. Obviously you prefer to re-write history instead of actually reading and understanding history.
Your distortion of the Reagan years is a perfect example but there is an entire tread devoted to refuting your anti Reagan claims and there are non partisan sites such as BEA.gov, BLS.gov, U.S. Treasury which refute your statements.
Apparently you don't find it hypocritical to point out your problems with Reagan and Bush but ignore when Obama implements Reagan and Bush policies.
Both understood you empower people not the govt. to create jobs.
Both understood that taxpayers keeping more of their own money stimulates and grows the economy as well as govt. revenue.
Both understand the obligations owed to our military thus the VA funding.
Both understand personal responsibility thus provided tax cuts to allow people to need less govt.
There are parts of the stimulus that were good but most of it was payment to pet programs of the Democrats but you ignore that reality. You can always use the cafeteria style approach with Bush and Reagan but ignore that same tactic when it comes to Obama.
I know know a few others who are part of the 6% that believe the stimulus plan actually created jobs.
could you please expound on this?There are parts of the stimulus that were good but most of it was payment to pet programs of the Democrats but you ignore that reality. You can always use the cafeteria style approach with Bush and Reagan but ignore that same tactic when it comes to Obama.
Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:
These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.
Tell me what is stimulative about this and why it was such an emergency that had to be passed immediately? This isn't a stimulus package as much as it is a State of the Union speech which outlines Budgetary requirements.
$180 billion to states to expand unemployment benefitsWSJ.com: Partisan Rancor Seeps Into Talks on Stimulus Plan (January 24, 2009)6
Upgrade 10,000 schoolsMSNBC.com: Obama: Stimulus plan means lower power bills (January 24, 2009)5
Make federal buildings more energy efficientMSNBC.com: Obama: Stimulus plan means lower power bills (January 24, 2009)5
Triple undergraduate and graduate science fellowshipsMSNBC.com: Obama: Stimulus plan means lower power bills (January 24, 2009)5
Shift to electronic medical recordsMSNBC.com: Obama: Stimulus plan means lower power bills (January 24, 2009)5
Invest in preventative health careMSNBC.com: Obama: Stimulus plan means lower power bills (January 24, 2009)5
Add 3,000 miles of electrical linesMSNBC.com: Obama: Stimulus plan means lower power bills (January 24, 2009)5
One-time $300 payment to senior citizensWSJ.com: Partisan Rancor Seeps Into Talks on Stimulus Plan (January 24, 2009)6
$8 billion investment in high-speed rail, to put people to work improving tracks, crossing and signal repairNew York Times: Slice of Stimulus
Package Will Go to Faster Trains (February 20, 2009)11
$2 billion for energy department projectsSeattle Times: Stimulus package to create 4,400 jobs at Hanford (February 20, 2009)12
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Regardless, what you've pointed out is so very true. There does seem to be more and more hate-speak coming from the Republican camp than any real substance. And using venues like CPAC to foster such hatred insntead of focusing in on the issues this country truly needs to have addressed doesn't do their party much good at all.
Well, let's use the idea of Socialism. It's a word and ideaology Conservatives use to strike fear into the American people. But what many people are starting to learn is that there have been aspects of Socialism in the country for years, i.e., Medicare, the Railroad Retirement System, the VA, even the U.S. Postal Service. But many people (particularly those who oppose Pres. Obama) actually believe that he's really trying to impose Socialism on this country on a massive scale and there's just no proof to that whatsoever.
Conservatives keep spouting off how the Obama Administration is trying to take away rights from the people, but what law/bill has he signed that does that? If anything, he has signed laws that help the American people gain better consumer protection for themselves, thus giving them a stronger voice, i.e., the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure (CARD) Act, 2009, as one example.
I see no evidence of the types of things the opposition claims this President is doing on such a grand scale that warrants the levels of fear Republicans/Conservatives are aspousing to. IMO, it's a shame they'd stoop to such levels that do nothing except divide this country more and more.
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