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    Re: Foreign demand falls for Treasuries

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its not about how much we are getting now. Most of the world gets their oil from the Middle East. We use 25% of the world's oil. In other words, our oil based economy goes down the tubes without a steady supply of ME oil in relatively short order.

    Iraq has the second largest oil reserves on planet but Iraq kicked big oil out of their country 38 years ago. With our war, they are back in again!
    You show you have no argument. If the reason for the war was oil How much are we getting?

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    Re: Foreign demand falls for Treasuries

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its not about how much we are getting now. Most of the world gets their oil from the Middle East. We use 25% of the world's oil. In other words, our oil based economy goes down the tubes without a steady supply of ME oil in relatively short order.

    Iraq has the second largest oil reserves on planet but Iraq kicked big oil out of their country 38 years ago. With our war, they are back in again!
    What you fail to consider is that all we needed to get Iraqi oil was to buy it.
    Just like we are now.

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    Re: Foreign demand falls for Treasuries

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You show you have no argument. If the reason for the war was oil How much are we getting?
    I already addressed that here:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-blogs/66472-foreign-demand-falls-treasuries-11.html#post1058581960
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    Re: Foreign demand falls for Treasuries

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    What you fail to consider is that all we needed to get Iraqi oil was to buy it.
    Just like we are now.
    See from Cheney's oil industry task force reasons the strategic energy risk Iraq's nationalized oil presented to the US oil based economy:

    "As it is, national solutions alone cannot work. Politicians still speak of U.S. energy independence, while the United States is importing more than half of its oil supplies and may soon for the first time become reliant on sources outside North America for substantial amounts of natural gas. More flexible environmental regulation and opening of more federal lands to drilling might slow but cannot stop this process. Dependence is so incredibly large, and growing so inexorably, that national autonomy is simply not a viable goal. In the global economy, it may not even be a desirable one."

    "But recently, things have changed. These Gulf allies are finding their domestic and foreign policy interests increasingly at odds with U.S. strategic considerations, especially as Arab-Israeli tensions flare. They have become less inclined to lower oil prices in exchange for security of markets, and evidence suggests that investment is not being made in a timely enough manner to increase production capacity in line with growing global needs. A trend toward anti-Americanism could affect regional leaders’ ability to cooperate with the United States in the energy area.
    The resulting tight markets have increased U.S. and global vulnerability to disruption and provided adversaries undue potential influence over the price of oil. Iraq has become a key "swing" producer, posing a difficult situation for the U.S. government."

    "Sanctions’ role in constraining investment in several key OPEC countries has aggravated the global problem of spare production capacity, which is now less diversified among a number of large producers than was the case twenty years ago. The consequent lack of competition has contributed to high prices."

    "Several key producing countries in these important areas remain closed to investment. Encouragement of open investment policies in these countries would greatly promote renewed competition among the largest oil producers and the advancement of oil supplies in the coming years. A reopening of these areas to foreign investment could make a critical difference in providing surplus supplies to markets in the coming decade."

    "The Gulf nations have one major asset—their oil and gas reserves. They, like Russia, Mexico, Indonesia, Nigeria, Venezuela, and some other oil-producing nations, depend heavily on hydrocarbons to support their citizens. If the current regimes in the Gulf cannot deliver a better standard of living for rapidly increasing populations, social upheaval could result, and anti-Western elements could gain power. Similar concerns exist with respect to some other oil-producing countries outside the Gulf."

    "Working together with the GCC could restrict some of the U.S.’ freedom of movement on security and foreign policy actions that might be desirable with regard to Iraq or the Arab-Israeli conflict from a U.S. point of view."

    "Review policies toward Iraq with the aim to lowering anti-Americanism in the Middle East and elsewhere, and set the groundwork to eventually ease Iraqi oil-field investment restrictions."

    "Another problem with easing restrictions on the Iraqi oil industry to allow greater investment is that GCC allies of the United States will not like to see Iraq gain larger market share in international oil markets"

    "More oil could likely be brought into the market place in the coming years if oil-field development could be enhanced by participation of U.S. companies in countries where such investments are currently banned, particularly in Libya where frozen U.S. assets remain in limbo. Resources are large and, with major contributions of foreign investment capital, large additions to production rates could be accrued in the coming two to three years."

    STRATEGIC ENERGY POLICY CHALLENGES
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    Re: Foreign demand falls for Treasuries

    That does not address it. How much oil do we get from Iraq?

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    Re: Foreign demand falls for Treasuries

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    See from Cheney's oil industry task force reasons....
    This doesn't address what I said, and it certainly doesnt support the argument that the war was for oil, as none of the things he described necessitate going to war to allow for their implementation.

    Meanwhile... what has the greater availability of Iraqi oil done for oil prices?

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    Re: Foreign demand falls for Treasuries

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This doesn't address what I said, and it certainly doesnt support the argument that the war was for oil, as none of the things he described necessitate going to war to allow for their implementation.

    Meanwhile... what has the greater availability of Iraqi oil done for oil prices?
    Oil companies waiting to get busy in Iraq was not possible without our invasion/occupation. No one expected the Iraqis would be able to fight back for 7 years. You will just have to be patient for our occupation a bit longer, unless you want more oil businessmen beheaded. It has the effect of slowing down productivity.

    Any rational and honest person reading Cheney's task force report knows that Iraq's nationalized oil was considered a threat to our oil based economy.
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    Re: Foreign demand falls for Treasuries

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Oil companies waiting to get busy in Iraq was not possible without our invasion/occupation
    Unsupportable.
    It is -impossible- to argue that the -only- way for US companies to get involved in Iraq is to invade Iraq; it is similarly impossible to argue that ONLY US companies in Iraq could achieve this same effect.

    And remember -- the issue here is not oil available to US companies to sell, but US companies developing Iraqi fields to put more oil on the market. Nothing in what you posted necesitates that US companies will sell mre oil.

    You will just have to be patient for our occupation a bit longer, unless you want more oil businessmen beheadedd...
    So, you cannot demonstrate any effect. Thanks.

    Any rational and honest person reading Cheney's task force report knos that Iraq's nationalized oil was considered a threat to our oil based economy
    You mean anyone with the same degree of partisan bigotry as yourself, as nothing in what you posted - and certainly nothing in reality - supports such a conclusion.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 02-24-10 at 04:08 PM.

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    Re: Foreign demand falls for Treasuries

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Oil companies waiting to get busy in Iraq was not possible without our invasion/occupation. No one expected the Iraqis would be able to fight back for 7 years. You will just have to be patient for our occupation a bit longer, unless you want more oil businessmen beheaded. It has the effect of slowing down productivity.

    Any rational and honest person reading Cheney's task force report knows that Iraq's nationalized oil was considered a threat to our oil based economy.
    Another words you don't know the democrats screwed us on getting any Iraq oil

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    Re: Foreign demand falls for Treasuries

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Let's be realistic when we're discussing graphs.



    The bottom one is far more relevant than the top (which is still more relevant than using one not adjusted for inflation).



    As the doctor fix goes, so goes the nation.



    Not insignificant, but not much compared to Medicare's $89 trillion unfunded liability.



    The Constitution also doesn't mention joining and providing funding/troops for an international "world's policeman," but most people making your objection don't seem to have a problem with that.



    And on those occasions where we've refused to get involved, it's been much better for all those involved. Just ask the Tutsis how happy they are to live in a country that practiced self-determination.
    That's absolutely correct, just look at Rwanda.
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