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    Re: Only 44% say they would vote Obama in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Bush already led this country over the cliff. He doubled the debt and destroyed the economy. Remember? Obama is trying to climb back up. He is using spending to pull us out of the recession just like Reagan did. Just like FDR did.
    Bush 2009 budget 3.1 trillion
    Obama 2010 budget 3.6 Trillion.

    First off you are using a disingenuous comparison to make it appear as though Obama is doing the same as GWB. If you really want to compare apples to apples then you should compare GWB's 2001 budget to Obama's today.


    Then I would pose a simple question to you. If you were sitting around your kitchen table with the Mrs. and you both saw that your current debt was more than you could handle, and your income was curtailed back by say 20%, would your solution be to go out and spend more on the credit cards that are already maxed out? My guess is like most Americans the answer would be 'ofcourse not!' So then why do you see it as an acceptable solution for Obama?


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    Re: Only 44% say they would vote Obama in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Polls like this are rather idiotic imho and don't tell us much.

    I'm really not a fan of Ruby Tuesdays. Its not a bad place but I don't like it much and I've got some pretty horrible service recently that turned me off. If asked if I'd want to go there for dinner I'd say no in a general sense. However if the option was cached "Would you rather go to Ruby Tuesdays or Red Lobster" and I'm allergic to seafood, well, despite my desire not to go to Ruby Tuesdays it'd still probably be my choice.

    What I'm saying is until you can match Obama up with someone else and ask "who would you rather", these kind of polls tell us relatively little in terms of actual useful predictive material for 2012

    If you are saying that these types of snapshot polls are nothing to hang a hat on, then I would agree with you. But, you can not deny that currently demo's seem to be thumbing their noses at the people, Obama included, and that will not end well should they continue.


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    Re: CNN poll: 52% say Obama doesn't deserve reelection in 2012

    If Obama's policies fail, will the left finally admit that this crap doesn't work and consider options different from they've pushed for the last 40 years?
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    Re: CNN poll: 52% say Obama doesn't deserve reelection in 2012

    Navy, have you ever heard of "confirmation bias" or "cognitive dissonance?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You know I have never been polled on a presidents approval not have any of my friends who are overwhemingly conservative........Most of the polls with a few exceptions are done by the whacked out leftwing media so that might explain te poll..............Imagine that...........
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    I personally am hesitant to believe polls by CNN because they are awfully bias to the left............
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    That is why polls don't really mean squat becasue some people will say they will vote for Obama but when they are in he ballot box it won't happen.............
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    when I see one of these lefties post a poll from a left wing rag like Newsweek I have to re butt that one.........
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    Re: Only 44% say they would vote Obama in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    First off you are using a disingenuous comparison to make it appear as though Obama is doing the same as GWB. If you really want to compare apples to apples then you should compare GWB's 2001 budget to Obama's today.


    Then I would pose a simple question to you. If you were sitting around your kitchen table with the Mrs. and you both saw that your current debt was more than you could handle, and your income was curtailed back by say 20%, would your solution be to go out and spend more on the credit cards that are already maxed out? My guess is like most Americans the answer would be 'ofcourse not!' So then why do you see it as an acceptable solution for Obama?


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    Wrong. You compare one years budget to the following years budget. What happened in 2001 is ancient history.
    The increase in spending was Bernankes idea to get us out of the recession. He is the one that said we needed a stimulus package in the first place. I don't agree with it but that was their plan to fix the economy that collapsed under Bush. I doubt if the spending plan will save us but you guys would be whining more if Obama did nothing and we had a total collapse.
    I will wait and see where we are in 3 years before I decide who I am voting for. If things are better and the country is on the right track I would consider Obama. If not, then libertarian or independant would be my choice. The republicans have already proven they can not be trusted with control of this country.
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    Re: Only 44% say they would vote Obama in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Wrong. You compare one years budget to the following years budget. What happened in 2001 is ancient history.
    The increase in spending was Bernankes idea to get us out of the recession. He is the one that said we needed a stimulus package in the first place. I don't agree with it but that was their plan to fix the economy that collapsed under Bush. I doubt if the spending plan will save us but you guys would be whining more if Obama did nothing and we had a total collapse.
    I will wait and see where we are in 3 years before I decide who I am voting for. If things are better and the country is on the right track I would consider Obama. If not, then libertarian or independant would be my choice. The republicans have already proven they can not be trusted with control of this country.
    There never was a question about spending but the question arises as how the govt. spends the taxpayer money. Reagan and Bush both understood that you stimulate the economy through the private sector, not the public sector.

    Private job creation is real job creation and creates long term jobs and thus long term taxpayers. Govt. spending on the public sector creates make work projects, short term jobs and short term taxpayers. Govt. growth is unsustainable.

    Everything Obama is doing is right out of the Saul Alinsky book for radicals. He is promoting the growth in the public sector and continues to demonize the private sector. Not sure what is being taught in our schools today but to continue to demonize the private sector will destroy our country and is destroying our economy.

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    Re: Only 44% say they would vote Obama in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    This November will be a clear indicator.
    No it won't. Reagan got his ass kicked in 1982 and swept the nation in 1984. Similar things have happened pretty regularly. The party was considering whether to even RUN Reagan in 1984 it was so bad. Now days people think he's a saint.
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    Re: Only 44% say they would vote Obama in 2012

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    Then I would pose a simple question to you. If you were sitting around your kitchen table with the Mrs. and you both saw that your current debt was more than you could handle, and your income was curtailed back by say 20%, would your solution be to go out and spend more on the credit cards that are already maxed out? My guess is like most Americans the answer would be 'ofcourse not!' So then why do you see it as an acceptable solution for Obama?
    You're making to fallacy that a country is like a personal account. When I spend money, it's just debt. When the government spends money, it can help to bolster the economy. That money isn't going to buy Obama his own personal Ski-Doo, it's being spent on various programs that help people who are unemployed or it creates jobs, or things like that. It's pumping money into the economy. The government needs to be counter-cyclical. The nineties and most of the aughts, when things were good, that is when you try to balance the budget. When every thing's hit the fan like now, the government spending money helps us pull through and end the recession.
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    Re: Only 44% say they would vote Obama in 2012

    Obama's detractors said over and over again that Obama would "cut and run" from Iraq, and "destroy the world's greatest health care system".

    Obama's supporters, at least the furthest left of them, said, "Oh, boy! He'll end the war in Iraq, and pass universal health care!"

    Obama never did advocate a precipitous withdrawal from Iraq. He did advocate for health care reform, which hasn't happened and probably won't.

    Now, his detractors wouldn't vote for him if he were running against Beelzebub, so their opinions matter very little anyway.

    His supporters, the ones described above anyway, are disappointed that we're still fighting in the ME, and that we don't have universal health care.

    Meanwhile, the economy is still sputtering. It may be coming back around, and it may not. The attempts to revive it have resulted in a staggering debt that democrats want to blame on Bush, and Republicans want to blame on Obama. They're both partially correct, as both advocated deficit spending, but they're forgetting about Congress.

    So, naturally, Obama's support is dropping.

    Now, will he be reelected?

    What is going to happen with the economy in the next two years? How about the wars in the ME, will they heat up again? How about Iran, will they test a nuclear device? Who will the Republicans nominate in '12? How many congressional Democrats will be replaced by Republicans in '10? How vigorously will they oppose Obama, and how successfully?

    Answer those questions, and you will be able to make a pretty good prediction about the outcome of the next election.
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    Re: Only 44% say they would vote Obama in 2012

    What is going to happen with the economy in the next two years? How about the wars in the ME, will they heat up again? How about Iran, will they test a nuclear device? Who will the Republicans nominate in '12? How many congressional Democrats will be replaced by Republicans in '10? How vigorously will they oppose Obama, and how successfully?
    If I could answer those, i'd be a rich man, I'm sure.
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