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    Re: CNN poll: 52% say Obama doesn't deserve reelection in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Do you know who controlled the congress in 1994.....Do you know what the Contract with America qas...........Nuff said.............
    Yes, what did happen to the Contract with America? Wasn't it written by Republicans when they weren't in power, then ignored when they were? Didn't it include a balanced budget amendment? Why haven't we heard any more about said amendment?

    Is it possible to sue a political party for breach of contract?
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    Re: CNN poll: 52% say Obama doesn't deserve reelection in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, what did happen to the Contract with America? Wasn't it written by Republicans when they weren't in power, then ignored when they were? Didn't it include a balanced budget amendment? Why haven't we heard any more about said amendment?

    Is it possible to sue a political party for breach of contract?
    I believe 8 or 9 of the items on the Contract with America were carried out including balancing the budget (much against Slick Willies wishes) and welfare reform...........

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    Re: Only 44% say they would vote Obama in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by DenverGreg View Post
    This is futile. I came to this site for an intelligent debate on politics, but you do not appear capable of engaging in one.

    I do know how to read reports. I do know something about politics and civics and I would have more respect for you if you just argued politics and left the insults out of it.

    Regarding your report, I find it very interesting that you don't think I can read it. As I mentioned previously, there is a chart on p.20 of the document that you sent out to support your point, which shows the exact opposite of what you're trying to argue. So which one of us is incapable of reading a report?

    I also sent you a link to the Congressional Budgeting Office, which shows exactly the same thing -- that there were budget surpluses in 1998-2000.
    Your line item regarding social security is entirely irrelevant. I understand that you don't think that the government should include these earnings, but it does, and therefore there are budget surpluses for the three years. Deal with it!

    Regarding the Iraq War, yes some Democrats supported it. But it was something conceived by Bush-Cheney and sold to the American people and Congress on the basis of exaggerations and misrepresentations. Much of Congress did not support giving Bush the power to go to war in Iraq without a declaration of war, and many of those who did called on Bush to first exhaust all diplomatic means, which he did not.
    You want honest debate or discussion? Let's discuss this, let's discuss the goodness of America, let's discuss why Obama is going to be a One Term President and why progressivism is destroying the very foundation upon which this country was built and how you are a part of that destruction? Let's see if you have the guts to take an hour of your time and witness what really made this country great. You aren't getting this in your textbook but this speech really hits home and addresses the real history that you aren't being taught.

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    Re: CNN poll: 52% say Obama doesn't deserve reelection in 2012

    2012 Election Results


    44% - Obama - Democrat

    34% - GOP candidate

    17% - Palin - Tea Party

    5% - Other

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    Re: CNN poll: 52% say Obama doesn't deserve reelection in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    2012 Election Results


    44% - Obama - Democrat

    34% - GOP candidate

    17% - Palin - Tea Party

    5% - Other
    Very early in the process but looks like to 44% of the people results don't matter

    15 million unemployed Americans
    Trillions added to the debt
    Largest Govt. in U.S. History

    Why would anyone vote for Obama with those results?

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    Re: CNN poll: 52% say Obama doesn't deserve reelection in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I believe 8 or 9 of the items on the Contract with America were carried out including balancing the budget (much against Slick Willies wishes) and welfare reform...........

    I don't know where you have been.......
    Really? I don't recall any attempt at passing a balanced budget amendment when we had a majority Republican Congress and a Republican president. In fact, where I was, the budget was being busted then, too. Maybe it was different where you were. Now, as for that balanced budget during the latter part of the Clinton Administration, which was it, fuzzy math, or an effort by Republicans to counter the wishes of the Democrat president?

    Your reasoning seems to be something like this:

    Republicans are conservatives, therefore the balanced budget (if there was one) has to have been the work of Republicans, because they're the fiscally conservative party.

    It's very logical, in a circular sort of way.

    C'mon, admit it. The Republicans are no more fiscally conservative than the Democrats are.
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    Re: CNN poll: 52% say Obama doesn't deserve reelection in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Really? I don't recall any attempt at passing a balanced budget amendment when we had a majority Republican Congress and a Republican president. In fact, where I was, the budget was being busted then, too. Maybe it was different where you were. Now, as for that balanced budget during the latter part of the Clinton Administration, which was it, fuzzy math, or an effort by Republicans to counter the wishes of the Democrat president?

    Your reasoning seems to be something like this:

    Republicans are conservatives, therefore the balanced budget (if there was one) has to have been the work of Republicans, because they're the fiscally conservative party.

    It's very logical, in a circular sort of way.

    C'mon, admit it. The Republicans are no more fiscally conservative than the Democrats are.
    I think you are using too big of a brush when you use the term Republican or Democrat in your description.

    There are indeed Republicans who are more fiscally conservative than other Republicans just like there are some Democrats more fiscally conservative than other Democrats

    The problem is you have Pelosi, Reid, and Obama running the govt. and that represents the most liberal wing of the nation, why by polling is about 20%.

    I don't know any Republican that supports Pelosi, Reid, or Obama spending proposals and their agenda thus the 100% vote against the stimulus and healthcare. I have just mentioned the three most liberal Democrats who are running this country and setting the agenda. It is that agenda that most Republicans are against

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    Re: CNN poll: 52% say Obama doesn't deserve reelection in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I think you are using too big of a brush when you use the term Republican or Democrat in your description.

    There are indeed Republicans who are more fiscally conservative than other Republicans just like there are some Democrats more fiscally conservative than other Democrats
    That's exactly my point. Republican does not mean conservative, not by any means. Democrat does not always mean liberal either. Moreover, there is no agreement as to what the terms "liberal" and "conservative" really mean anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The problem is you have Pelosi, Reid, and Obama running the govt. and that represents the most liberal wing of the nation, why by polling is about 20%.

    I don't know any Republican that supports Pelosi, Reid, or Obama spending proposals and their agenda thus the 100% vote against the stimulus and healthcare. I have just mentioned the three most liberal Democrats who are running this country and setting the agenda. It is that agenda that most Republicans are against
    Yes, we have fiscal liberals running the government currently, and no, Republicans don't support the likes of Pelosi, Reid, or Obama. Does that make them conservatives, or does that make them partisans? The growth of government that took place when the Republicans were running things argues for the latter.
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    Re: CNN poll: 52% say Obama doesn't deserve reelection in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's exactly my point. Republican does not mean conservative, not by any means. Democrat does not always mean liberal either. Moreover, there is no agreement as to what the terms "liberal" and "conservative" really mean anyway.



    Yes, we have fiscal liberals running the government currently, and no, Republicans don't support the likes of Pelosi, Reid, or Obama. Does that make them conservatives, or does that make them partisans? The growth of government that took place when the Republicans were running things argues for the latter.
    Republicans did indeed lose their way and thus the birth of the "Tea Party" Movement. The issue in the past was the lesser of the two evils which is a sad state of affairs when your choice is evil.

    I am a conservative and make no apology for that. There are two issues important to me, a pro growth, pro free enteprise capitalistic society and national defense. Without those two issues being handled nothing else matters.

    What Obama has proposed and implemented moves us away from the free enteprise and capitalistic economy that our country was built on and giving U.S. Constitutional rights to terrorists makes us less safe. He gets a "F" on the economy and a C- on National Defense. The only reason he doesn't get a "F" on national defense is he has adopted the Bush Doctrine in Iraq and has finally given the Commanders in Iraq some of the troops they wanted.

    As it stands now he is going to be a one term President as he exactly the person his resume said he would be.

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    Re: CNN poll: 52% say Obama doesn't deserve reelection in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Republicans did indeed lose their way and thus the birth of the "Tea Party" Movement. The issue in the past was the lesser of the two evils which is a sad state of affairs when your choice is evil.

    I am a conservative and make no apology for that. There are two issues important to me, a pro growth, pro free enteprise capitalistic society and national defense. Without those two issues being handled nothing else matters.

    What Obama has proposed and implemented moves us away from the free enteprise and capitalistic economy that our country was built on and giving U.S. Constitutional rights to terrorists makes us less safe. He gets a "F" on the economy and a C- on National Defense. The only reason he doesn't get a "F" on national defense is he has adopted the Bush Doctrine in Iraq and has finally given the Commanders in Iraq some of the troops they wanted.

    As it stands now he is going to be a one term President as he exactly the person his resume said he would be.
    Perhaps he will be, and perhaps not. The Republican Party has indeed lost its way. Maybe it will find its conservative roots, maybe the voters will forget about the disaster that was the Bush administration. Maybe Obama will screw up so badly that the Republicans will get elected even if the party doesn't get its act together.

    But, don't count on it yet.
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