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    Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

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    At the highest levels of the US military, a quiet discussion is going on about putting in place a legal framework that would permit the US government to strip American citizenship from terrorists.

    The case of Las Cruces, New Mexico born al Qaeda commander Anwar al-Aulaqi, who has been a key organizer and recruiter for the terrorist organization in Yemen is the primary driver of this exploration of possibly modifying US law to allow "de-citizening."

    As the Washington Post's Dana Priest recently revealed, al-Alaqi was added recently to a short list of other Americans for whom there are kill orders in place.

    A senior Member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence has told me that to his knowledge, there has been no serious discussion in the Committee of stripping US citizenship from terrorists, but a senior Pentagon official has confirmed that some in the military are exploring the upsides and downsides of such a more routenized mechanism for stripping citizenship.

    A national security attorney who serves in an advisory capacity to President Obama has reported to me that there is no legal way for the US military or the government to strip citizenship from Americans.

    But Eugene Volokh, exploring in a Salon article the case of American gone al Qaeda adventurer John Walker, writes in 2001 that "8 U.S.C. § 1481 : US Code - Section 1481" may provide such a mechanism.

    As Volokh then wrote pondering whether a terrorist could be stripped of his US citizenship:

    Maybe. A federal statute says that a citizen loses his citizenship by "serving in the armed forces of a foreign state if such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States" but only if he does so "with the intention of relinquishing United States [citizenship]."

    This topic can be more ably discussed by sharp legal minds like Jeffrey Toobin, Jeffrey Rosen and Glenn Greenwald -- but it seems to me that establishing a regularized legal framework specifying that alleged terrorists be stripped of US citizenship so that the military can deal with those de-nationed individuals differently reminds me of the kind of legal gray area that Cheney national security adviser David Addington loved to create.

    By posting this question, I trust that others will review other cases and the legal background of this question of stripping citizenship in times of war -- and weigh in.

    The Pentagon's top stars are mulling over this issue now and just beginning to probe receptevity in the administration and among some in Congress.
    I am really, really not comfortable with revoking citizenship under any circumstances. Even if they are standing in the middle of a terrorist training camp teaching people how to shoot a rifle. Nor am I comfortable with "kill orders" being issued for any Americans.

    I mean, if an airstrike hits the camp and an American happens to be there, well, it's their own damn fault for being there. But deliberately targeting Americans for assassination? Argh.

    "Capture if able" orders are fine. Bag em and tag em, stick them on a plane and send them home to answer for their crimes to a jury of their peers. If a guy shoots at the soldiers trying to apprehend him, well, that's a dumbass idea and he'll probably get killed for it.

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    Re: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

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    I am really, really not comfortable with revoking citizenship under any circumstances. Even if they are standing in the middle of a terrorist training camp teaching people how to shoot a rifle. Nor am I comfortable with "kill orders" being issued for any Americans.

    I mean, if an airstrike hits the camp and an American happens to be there, well, it's their own damn fault for being there. But deliberately targeting Americans for assassination? Argh.

    "Capture if able" orders are fine. Bag em and tag em, stick them on a plane and send them home to answer for their crimes to a jury of their peers. If a guy shoots at the soldiers trying to apprehend him, well, that's a dumbass idea and he'll probably get killed for it.

    I voted for change. I got Bush III.
    I might consider(*note, might consider, since this is a new issue for me) if it wasn't for the fact that "terrorist" has pretty much been redefined to mean anyone that the government hates, so untill that gets fixed, it's an absolute no for me, the pentagon doesn't deserve that power.

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    Re: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

    ^^^ Like this guy says. &*$# the pentagon, they work for ME.

    To clarifiy, I am not comfortable with citizenship being revoked under any circumstances without due process. I.E. a courtroom.
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    Re: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

    It De-Citizenship cruel and unusual punishment?
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    It De-Citizenship cruel and unusual punishment?
    Without a trial, all punishment is cruel and unusual!
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    Re: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Without a trial, all punishment is cruel and unusual!
    Does fleeing from the United States and hiding in the mountainous regions of Yemen after US authorities have posted an arrest warrant for your actions in terrorist attacks (Fort Hood, Xmas Day Debacle) give the US permission to blow you to smithereens and de-citizenship you?
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

    Revoke their citizenship with a bullet, it will save paperwork.....
    Treason should be punished by death, every time, no if ands or buts.....
    Lindh should have been executed.....

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    Re: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Does fleeing from the United States and hiding in the mountainous regions of Yemen after US authorities have posted an arrest warrant for your actions in terrorist attacks (Fort Hood, Xmas Day Debacle) give the US permission to blow you to smithereens and de-citizenship you?
    In my opinion, yes it does....

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    Re: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Revoke their citizenship with a bullet, it will save paperwork.....
    Treason should be punished by death, every time, no if ands or buts.....
    Lindh should have been executed.....
    If the OP's topic came true I wonder how long before they shift "Anyone that is a terrorist" to "Anyone that has goals of their own that happen to fit some of the agenda of a few targeted overseas groups." Then is it bullet time for O'Really Taintz?
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