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    Re: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Based on the Third Geneva Convention:

    The Tallies don't follow the international rules of war, carry ID cards, nor wear uniforms, or insignia distinguishing themselves as combatants and not civilian non-combatants.
    ....do you know what "to include" means?
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    Re: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ....do you know what "to include" means?
    Do you know what, "provided that they fulfill all of the following conditions", means?

    4.1.2 Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, provided that they fulfill all of the following conditions:
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    Re: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do you know what, "provided that they fulfill all of the following conditions", means?
    Wow you really can not read :

    4.1.1

    is not

    under

    4.1.2.

    Get it now?

    Here I'll put it in a quote so you understand :

    4.1.1 Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict and members of militias of such armed forces
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    Re: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Wow you really can not read :

    4.1.1

    is not

    under

    4.1.2.

    Get it now?
    Under 4.1.2 enemy combatants who are, "Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements", rate protections as legal combatants under the Geneva Convention if they,

    fulfill all of the following conditions:

    that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

    that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance (there are limited exceptions to this among countries who observe the 1977 Protocol I);

    that of carrying arms openly;

    that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
    The Taliban doesn't fulfill all of those provisions. As far as I know, they don't fulfill any of them.

    Get it now?
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    Re: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Under 4.1.2 enemy combatants who are, "Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements", rate protections as legal combatants under the Geneva Convention if they,

    The Taliban doesn't fulfill all of those provisions. As far as I know, they don't fulfill any of them.

    Get it now?
    That is because they would fit under 4.1.1 - Wow. This is really tedious. The Taliban are a party to the conflict. They do not fit under 4.1.2 they fit under 4.1.1
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    Re: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

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    Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists | TPMCafe




    I am really, really not comfortable with revoking citizenship under any circumstances. Even if they are standing in the middle of a terrorist training camp teaching people how to shoot a rifle. Nor am I comfortable with "kill orders" being issued for any Americans.

    I mean, if an airstrike hits the camp and an American happens to be there, well, it's their own damn fault for being there. But deliberately targeting Americans for assassination? Argh.

    "Capture if able" orders are fine. Bag em and tag em, stick them on a plane and send them home to answer for their crimes to a jury of their peers. If a guy shoots at the soldiers trying to apprehend him, well, that's a dumbass idea and he'll probably get killed for it.

    I voted for change. I got Bush III.
    What the hell good is this going to do, Obama will still try them in court like they were citizens.
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    Re: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Any American citizen whom engages in armed conflict against the United States is guilty of treason. There's no technicality, according to the law.
    Just because someone is guilty of treason doesn't mean they stop being a citizen of the United States.

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    Re: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That is because they would fit under 4.1.1 - Wow. This is really tedious. The Taliban are a party to the conflict. They do not fit under 4.1.2 they fit under 4.1.1
    Either way, they aren't following the rules set about by the GC. It's already assumed in 4.1.1 that they

    fulfill all of the following conditions:

    that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

    that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance (there are limited exceptions to this among countries who observe the 1977 Protocol I);

    that of carrying arms openly;

    that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
    Again, the Taliban doesn't meet any of these provisions.
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    Re: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Just because someone is guilty of treason doesn't mean they stop being a citizen of the United States.
    No, but if they serve with a foreign army and take up arms against the United States, it is legal to revoke their citizenship.
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    Re: Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, but if they serve with a foreign army and take up arms against the United States, it is legal to revoke their citizenship.
    Which would just end up being used to vilify those who might be trying to protect U.S.A. from private armies, if they go unchecked by our government or friendly foreign armies to our complacent government that are being used for wrong purposes. I cant imagine many people crossing over and chosing to lose their US status for some enemy. But, I could imagine people getting tired of their government and starting New America. Looks like this is a nip in the butt to any future civil wars that might ever start.

    I think America will never fall so long as the people keep it peaceful. Once new age Paul Reveres cross America instead the controlling fear mongers will have met their match.
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