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    Re: The Enemy Within: Islamic Jihadists Controlling U.S. Anti-Terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl Rove View Post
    So according to you it is all one big moral equivalence? Don't look now but moral relativism just ate away your brain. Nevertheless, in the secular West, Muslims like other religious and ethnic groups are protected by laws against discrimination, although they nonetheless try to make themselves out to be the victims all the time to exploit the weaknesses of the gullible and naive.

    As for as Christian countries go, try again, as there is no such thing as a Christian country in the world and that is because there is no comparable body of law in Christianity as there is in Islam. Only Islam has its Sharia law that seeks to control every single aspect of a Muslim's life down to the smallest detail.



    Really? What planet do you live on? In Egypt the Copts are harassed and violently oppressed all the time, as young Coptic girls are kidnapped and raped all the time, and then forced into forced marriages with Muslim males, churches are also burned down all the time, and every year hundreds of Copts lose their lives in Muslim pogroms.

    In Iraq, the various Christian communities are systematically harassed and being slaughtered by Muslims all the time and as a matter of fact since the start of the war approximately half of Iraq's Christian community have been forced to flee and the remainder are searching for ways to escape.

    In Pakistan and Bangladesh, Christians are killed by Muslims all the time on trumped up allegations. In Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, Christian guess workers are abused and raped on a routine basis. In Lebanon, half the Christian community has been forced to flee since the early 80s. Last month about 50 Christian churches were burned down in peaceful and moderate Malaysia, In Indonesia, Christians are often violently harassed, oppressed, and killed, and church burning happen on a pretty routine basis. In Thailand, Buddhists are beheaded by Muslims on a weekly basis, as in the Philippines Christians are kidnapped and held for ransom and also beheaded all the time. In Nigeria and Kenya, churches are burned and Christians murdered all the time. As a matter of fact, I could go on and on ad nauseum, but it is obvious I would be just wasting my time since you are oblivious as it gets. Not to mention that this isn't a conflict between Christians and Muslims. It is a jihad between Muslims and everyone else who isn't Muslim.



    If you believe what I'm saying is hyperbole, bigoted, racist, and the like, then by all means prove that non-Muslims living inside Muslim countries are treated equally with Muslims. As a matter of fact, you are so oblivious that it boggles the mind. It's as if you have been living inside an echo chamber or something.



    I wasn't talking about the UK in particular but nonetheless it is clear that the UK has more than their fair share of problems with Muslims that refuse to assimilate and integrate. Nevertheless, in Malmo Sweden, the Netherlands, Belgium, France, etc. the majority of Muslims are not assimilating and integrating but instead forming Muslim no go zones ruled by Sharia.

    As a matter of fact, there has never been one success story in the world yet where Muslims have successfully assimilated and integrated and then matriculated into becoming productive and contributing citizens of their new societies yet. Indeed, in every country thus for where mass Muslim immigration has occurred it has turned into an unmitigated disaster, just like it is turning into an unmitigated disaster for the UK as well.

    By the way, how many Islamic terrorist attacks has the UK already been the victim of because of Muslim immigration and how much more additional money has the UK government been forced to spend on providing security for its citizens?

    Moreover, just recently the USA has been forced to dedicate approximately 40 percent of our intelligence assets abroad to Britain because the threat of Islamic motivated terrorism emanating from the UK is greater than even the threat that emanates form Pakistan and other Islamic countries. Congratulations are in order I believe, and you can deny that reality all you want, but unfortunately it is true.



    I'm sorry...wishful thinking doesn't count. The evidence proves the vast overwhelming majority of Muslim immigrants have flat out refused to integrate and assimilate, not only in the UK, but everywhere else in the world. Yet, you are somehow so oblivious, you would never know it.



    The reality is they are never the victims, yet they claim that mantle in every case. For instance, were they the victims in Mumbai? How about in Kashmir and Jammu? How about all the Christian churches they burned down in Malaysia last month, were the Christians asking for it? How about all the innocent non-combatant Jews they have murdered and blown up in cold blood inside Israel? What about all the Christians slaughtered in Iraq since 2003? Or the 2 million Christians and Animists they slaughtered in Sudan, what did they do to deserve annihilation? What about all the church burnings and black Christians slaughtered in Nigeria and Kenya, is that the Christians at fault too? And again I could go on and on and on ad nauseum, but it is obvious you don't have a clue.



    What planet do you live on ? Where are the Muslims today? Why aren't they publicly teaching against the jihad ideology? Where are all the damn public service commercials? Cite one example of Muslims teaching against the jihad ideology! I mean if it were Christians instead there would not only be thousands of public service commercials there would be loud public protest against the senseless killing of innocents. Instead, Muslims are suing anyone and everyone who has the audacity to expose them to the light of day. Give me a break! You couldn't be more oblivious.



    So you are again going to attempt to morally equate Catholics with Muslims. You must be kidding? Don't even waste my time! Moreover, you must be delusional as well as no Catholic denominations in America ever asked their congregations to help fund terrorism and you ought to be shot for even suggesting that. Like I said moral relativism is doing enormous damage.



    Dude...I follow Islam intimately. Cite one public example that was legitimate! You can't because they don't! And the notion that it is only a tiny minority is ludicrous!



    Again, you are going to senselessly resort to morally equating abortion, which is the taking of innocent defenseless lives with world wide mass Muslim outrage over a silly damn cartoon. Get out of here!

    I mean with some of you guys you just have to mention Islam and Muslims and it is like a switched was flicked on or something as you geniuses all go into instant hyper lets vilify the Christian's mode, as if vilifying and demonizing Christians as evil incarnate or something is going to somehow stop Islamic motivated violence. Talk about denial of reality! It is more than a little obvious that moral relativism is doing severe damage.

    Not to mention that far more innocent Americans died from the 9/11 terrorist attacks alone than from all the abortion bombings combined! Yet, he is going to morally equate the many thousands of Islamic terrorist attacks around the world with abortion clinic attacks. Get out of here!



    No, but the leftist that monopolize that government are putting on a show trial and doing the business of the Muslims for them to send a very loud and clear message that no matter how accurate and true that criticism of Islam is, it doesn't matter as the government is going to get you and put you in jail for telling the truth if you make the mistake of criticizing Islam.

    Nevertheless, what laws did he break? And since when is telling the truth against the law? More importantly, why should telling the truth be outlawed? Finally, if we silence all criticism of Islam, how are Muslims going to change their ways?



    I'm sorry but I don't believe in the political correct multicultural myth that divides the Muslim global ummah into two divided camps of so-called moderate Muslims and so-called radical Muslims because it is not only incredibly racist to divide and label people that way, but it is also a political correct multicultural myth. A Muslim is a Muslim. Not to mention that by far most of the jihad that takes place in the world today takes place via non-violent means. Thus, the notion that only terrorists can be radicals is literally absurd as well.

    Nevertheless, with respect to the OIC, again it is obvious you don't have a clue what you are talking about.



    Okay then cite just one Muslim who doesn't hate Jews and who also publicly doesn't support the annihilation of the Jewish state if you believe it is not a very true and very sad stereotype.
    NOTE: I know this guy has been banned, but the following needs to be said anyways.

    I can cite quite a few.

    Example 1 - The Muslim and Jewish communities in Houston are very close. I work for an Iranian contracting company, and many of our customers are Jews. Vice versa, just about everyone who works here takes their cars to International Autowerks, which is owned by Jews. Both, the Jewish and Persian communities in Houston, are enriched by each other.

    Example 2 - There is a program on KPFT, here in Houston, called Interchange, in which religious views are aired. During each program, there are discussions between people of different faiths. About once a week, Muslim, Jewish, Protestant, and Catholic guests sit on the same panel. Guess what? They have all been close friends for more than a decade.

    Example 3 - There is a cable show on Link TV called "Lunch With Bokara". Bokara is an Iranian talk show host, and the show is about religious tolerance. Muslim guests frequently share the show with Christian guests, Jewish guests, and guests from other religions. They get along quite well, and all have much respect for each other, and even like each other.

    That's just 3 examples, and there are many more. Those who hate will never see it, because that is not what they are looking for. They spend so much time looking at the dark side of human nature that they never see the light. They, themselves, are everything that is representative of the dark side, and as a result of their own hate for others, live out their pathetic lives in bondage, so enslaved by their hate, that they never realize, that to break free, they need only break a thread, not a chain. Thus, they stay enslaved to the hate that is their master.

    Religious intolerance has it's roots in ignorance, and hatred for anyone different than the hater. This is unfortunate for the hater, because if his hatred becomes too much of an obsession, it can eventually kill him (heart attack, stroke, or what have you), not that the world would miss him. Those who hate, whether it is based on religion, race, or any other factor, are soon forgotten..... Well, not quite. Hitler will never be forgotten, but only because his life teaches the rest of us an important lesson - We must never allow ourselves to become so complacent that we allow monsters like him to control the dialogue. They are like cockroaches. Once they are in power, they are hard to eradicate. That is the nature of hatred.
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    Re: The Enemy Within: Islamic Jihadists Controlling U.S. Anti-Terrorism

    Interesting, but a classic 'sampling error'.

    In my Area/NY Tristate.
    The Persians ARE mostly Jewish. :^)
    Many Bullied out of Iran in one way or another beginning with the Iranian revolution in 1979 and since.

    Iranians, even the many Islamic ones, (by the very nature of the Sample) have proven Not to be among 'The Enemy Within'. Most have fled the Islamic Regime.
    And Persians, even historically, have been hospitable to the Jews.
    Tho not the current regime, which is not just 'anti-zionist'.

    Rather, that honor and all the arrests, has gone to the Sunni Arab and Asian (Pakistani) groups.
    Not negating an 'enemy within' just more precisely defining it.

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    Re: The Enemy Within: Islamic Jihadists Controlling U.S. Anti-Terrorism

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    Who are actually just humans who have discovered immortality and keep visiting us from space to try to make things better...

    George Washington was one of them. So was Abe Lincoln. In fact, all the Founding Fathers were really immortal humans from Space who were sent down here to try to steer us right in this - Humanity 2.0 (oh, and Dec. 21, 2012 - that's when they hit the reset button back to 350 BC and begin Humanity 3.0).

    But please don't tell anyone that I've discovered the secret. They Immortals from Space will kill me if they know I'm on to them.

    Saddest part for me is that now that I've uncovered it, the third version of me is doomed to remember all of this as it begins to reoccur again. So, in version 3.0, I'm likely to be locked up in an asylum.


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    Re: The Enemy Within: Islamic Jihadists Controlling U.S. Anti-Terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl Rove View Post
    Brilliant! You obviously don't have a clue what the Bible says or teaches. Not that what you said has anything remotely to do with the topic.
    Something tells me the inquisition knew more about the bible than you do now. They'd certainly make quick work of you.

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    Re: The Enemy Within: Islamic Jihadists Controlling U.S. Anti-Terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    NOTE: I know this guy has been banned, but the following needs to be said anyways.

    I can cite quite a few.

    Example 1 - The Muslim and Jewish communities in Houston are very close. I work for an Iranian contracting company, and many of our customers are Jews. Vice versa, just about everyone who works here takes their cars to International Autowerks, which is owned by Jews. Both, the Jewish and Persian communities in Houston, are enriched by each other.

    Example 2 - There is a program on KPFT, here in Houston, called Interchange, in which religious views are aired. During each program, there are discussions between people of different faiths. About once a week, Muslim, Jewish, Protestant, and Catholic guests sit on the same panel. Guess what? They have all been close friends for more than a decade.

    Example 3 - There is a cable show on Link TV called "Lunch With Bokara". Bokara is an Iranian talk show host, and the show is about religious tolerance. Muslim guests frequently share the show with Christian guests, Jewish guests, and guests from other religions. They get along quite well, and all have much respect for each other, and even like each other.

    That's just 3 examples, and there are many more. Those who hate will never see it, because that is not what they are looking for. They spend so much time looking at the dark side of human nature that they never see the light. They, themselves, are everything that is representative of the dark side, and as a result of their own hate for others, live out their pathetic lives in bondage, so enslaved by their hate, that they never realize, that to break free, they need only break a thread, not a chain. Thus, they stay enslaved to the hate that is their master.

    Religious intolerance has it's roots in ignorance, and hatred for anyone different than the hater. This is unfortunate for the hater, because if his hatred becomes too much of an obsession, it can eventually kill him (heart attack, stroke, or what have you), not that the world would miss him. Those who hate, whether it is based on religion, race, or any other factor, are soon forgotten..... Well, not quite. Hitler will never be forgotten, but only because his life teaches the rest of us an important lesson - We must never allow ourselves to become so complacent that we allow monsters like him to control the dialogue. They are like cockroaches. Once they are in power, they are hard to eradicate. That is the nature of hatred.
    I just read this thread and I think Karl Rove has a valid point or two that most here want to suppress for some reason.

    I guess I will have to join that pajama place to learn more.

    He was clearly very informed and very interesting, at least to me.

    Guess I'm the only one.

    Your American experience in Houston, TX not withstanding.

    Dunno why he was banned.

    Was he outside the Liberal group think that can't be challenged on this forum or some such?

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    I joined PJTV.


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    Very Interesting.

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    Re: The Enemy Within: Islamic Jihadists Controlling U.S. Anti-Terrorism

    For our Nation or way of life to be a risk from Radical Muslims it does not take some super large Sleeper Cell plotting a massive attack.

    And a conspiracy only requires two.

    Since 9-11 how many times have we seen the color coded threat level go up and down, up and down.

    Every time some old guy wanders lost into a restricted area of and Airport near panic ensues and there are major evacuations and disruptions.

    We have been conditioned to be prepared for over reaction and disruptions and have been asked by Obama to basically spy on our neighbors and be on the look out for anything unusual.

    In the mean time Obama amd his circle of extremists and radicals went out of their way to down play terrorism by relabeling it with less threatening terms, and traveling the world kissing Islamic butt and apolodising for things we are not the cause of.

    He sends one message one day and another the next depending on who he is lying to at the time.

    Facts by the way are not conspiracy theories they are conspiracies or just facts.

    I wish I knew what was more important to Obama his Socialist/Marxist plan or his fellow Muslim's Jihad. Or a combination of the two.

    And don't start up that lame claim the he's a Christian. Turns out he sacrificed his Sundays just long enough to get in office now he's been to Church about 3 or 4 times in over a year.

    According to Muslim precepts he was born a Muslim, then went to went a Muslim Madrassa school.

    Enemy within? Yes I'd say we do have a few and now with Napolitano preparing to come after those who don't trust Obama or here a few us can expect a visit from the NEO-SS.

    Christians and returning Soldiers are threat if you listen to this Administration.

    So much for bringing the Nation together.

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    Councilman;states:

    For our Nation or way of life to be a risk from Radical Muslims it does not take some super large Sleeper Cell plotting a massive attack.

    And a conspiracy only requires two.

    There are 1.5 Billion Muslims (give or take) and not all are devout, but most Muslims do not challange the radical fundamental actors within the religion. As Karl Rove stated in spot on posts above.

    Bernard Lewis states that the radical/fundamental portion of the huge (and relatively young), Muslim population could easily be 10% of the number which give a stagering 150 million enemies of non Muslims, the West or the rest of the Muslim population that is not radical enough to suit the radicals. (The biggest number of victims of hard line Isam are fellow Muslims.)

    The religion is a full meal deal from cradle to grave from wake up to sleep 24 x 7 for a lot of people, (nearly 25% of the world's population). Muslims have been a problem for the world since the sixth century and they have been relentless in causing wars and strife within countries where they are a sizable minority in non Islamic states.

    Most Americans (due to their NEA politically correct educations emphasizing political correctness, homosexuality et al), don't know much history or the exceptionalism of their own Judeo Christian Country. The NEA and Universities are dominated by Liberals who hate and blame America and hate Christianity but show meek shallow respect for Islam. The hard Left dominated main stream media also down play the threat and fail to educate the bulk of the American population to a real significant risk from radical Islam.

    Eventually we are prolly gonna get another significant terrorist attack bigger then a lone Muslim shooting up a military base, and they really luv to use planes as the underware bomber tried.


    Since 9-11 how many times have we seen the color coded threat level go up and down, up and down.

    Every time some old guy wanders lost into a restricted area of and Airport near panic ensues and there are major evacuations and disruptions.

    We should profile Muslims. We should also heavily restrict their imigration into the US.

    We have been conditioned to be prepared for over reaction and disruptions and have been asked by Obama to basically spy on our neighbors and be on the look out for anything unusual.

    In the mean time Obama amd his circle of extremists and radicals went out of their way to down play terrorism by relabeling it with less threatening terms, and traveling the world kissing Islamic butt and apolodising for things we are not the cause of.

    He sends one message one day and another the next depending on who he is lying to at the time.

    Facts by the way are not conspiracy theories they are conspiracies or just facts.

    The current administration does have the 9/10/2001 mind set.

    I wish I knew what was more important to Obama his Socialist/Marxist plan or his fellow Muslim's Jihad. Or a combination of the two.

    I don't buy the notion that Obamaprompter is a Muslim, I admit he was given a Muslim name by his Muslim father and given Muslim schooling by his Muslim step father.

    I accept his coming to Jesus via the Black racist Jerimiah Wright, and I'm not sure how the radical Muslims view his apostacy since his Muslim status was up to age ten or some such, and I think a childhood apostacy is not the same as an adult apostacy to the hard liners.

    I think it is clear Obamaprompter's focus is on growing Gubment power and domestic intrusiveness, if the terrorist risk is downplayed I think he feels it helps his quest to expand Gubment's domestic power so it looks like a tactic toward a goal to me. He surely is not working with the Muslims to harm America, as that would make zero sense.


    And don't start up that lame claim the he's a Christian. Turns out he sacrificed his Sundays just long enough to get in office now he's been to Church about 3 or 4 times in over a year.

    Well unless you read minds like Liberals think they can I suggest you accept his statements about his faith at face value. I know he is a liar as a hard Left politician who pretended to be less hard Left then he actually is. That said: the media never challanged him so his cake walk to office as one of the most left wing POTUSes in history is not surprizing to me.

    I'm Christian and I don't go to church very much. Judge not less ye be judged.


    According to Muslim precepts he was born a Muslim, then went to went a Muslim Madrassa school.

    That was before the age of ten. He has been a Christian for over twenty years.

    Enemy within? Yes I'd say we do have a few and now with Napolitano preparing to come after those who don't trust Obama or here a few us can expect a visit from the NEO-SS.

    Christians and returning Soldiers are threat if you listen to this Administration.

    So much for bringing the Nation together.

    The crew that can't shoot straight, (Big Sis and Holder) are helping Obamaprompter slip in the polls, by playing to their hard Left political supporters.

    If we get a big terrorist hit over the next year or soo things will change as we again remember 9/11 and ponder Obamaprompter's 9/10 mindset to give the opportunity to install socialized medicine and socialized auto manufacturing.

    Since we have gone a full 13 plus months without a major attack in a new Administration, either Bush Cheney were very good in their hammering radical Islam, (as I think), or the radicals don't want America to wake up and really purge Democrats in 2010. If you think a wee bit BJ was hit in the first year of his Administration as was Bush 43.

    Let's all hope the radicals are kept at bay.

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