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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    This is the problem with people that opposed this war. To them, there will never be anything that will ever be considered successful. Thats why I am grateful that Obama has the integrity to seemingly see this thing through to a point where it is stable, rather than simply appeasing fools who believe an immediate pullout is favorable for all.
    What would have to happen in order for you--or others--to consider Iraq a success (or, as some like to put it, a win)? Is it who is defeated? Freedom of the people? What to you, would be considered a win?
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    What would have to happen in order for you--or others--to consider Iraq a success (or, as some like to put it, a win)? Is it who is defeated? Freedom of the people? What to you, would be considered a win?
    It is already a success. We established a democracy.

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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    So what was it with Iraq? Sure, Saddam was an asshole, but that was just a cover for the real reason, which was thought of by the Neocon think tank "Project for the New American Century". PNAC was put together as a result of a paper, written by Dick Cheney, called "Rebuilding America's Defenses", which detailed invading Middle East Nations and installing American-like governments in them. The Middle East has always been one of the most strategic places in the world in which to project power. Eventually, the plan was to overthrow seven nations in five years, starting with Iraq.
    I didn't read the whole document. I read the introduction, and scanned most of the chapters and searched for Iraq, which had a lot of discussion around the no-fly zones. I was unable to find any mention of invading 7 nations in five years, starting with Iraq. They had concerns over a number of ME nations: Iraq, Syria, Iran, who were looking into building nuclear capability.

    The thing is, they didn't invade 7 nations in 5 years. Aside from Afghanistan, they invaded one nation, Iraq. Instead of making Iraq a satellite nation of the US, we took the time and resources to transform it into a Democracy. That's off script. They aren't necessarily pro-American. But it is the best thing for them. I am proud that Bush made the decision to install a democracy.

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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I didn't read the whole document. I read the introduction, and scanned most of the chapters and searched for Iraq, which had a lot of discussion around the no-fly zones. I was unable to find any mention of invading 7 nations in five years, starting with Iraq. They had concerns over a number of ME nations: Iraq, Syria, Iran, who were looking into building nuclear capability.

    The thing is, they didn't invade 7 nations in 5 years. Aside from Afghanistan, they invaded one nation, Iraq. Instead of making Iraq a satellite nation of the US, we took the time and resources to transform it into a Democracy. That's off script. They aren't necessarily pro-American. But it is the best thing for them. I am proud that Bush made the decision to install a democracy.
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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    It is already a success. We established a democracy.
    And you think this democracy is stable enough to grow and flourish when the troops pull out?
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Every Soldier that died for Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield's lies died in vain.
    If that's the case, then none of them died in vain.

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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I don't think so - I think the good he's done will be overshadowed by the problems that came from the effort (the recession, etc).
    How is the recession tied to the war in Iraq?

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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Every Soldier that died for Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield's lies died in vain.
    I would to watch you say to a soldier's face, who lost one of his best friend on the battlefield. It would be quite entertaining to watch that troop kick the **** out of you.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    And you think this democracy is stable enough to grow and flourish when the troops pull out?
    Not yet, which is why we need to stay until it is. We'll pull out combat troops and keep 50,000 troops there for years. Just like we did in Germany and Japan.
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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Not yet, which is why we need to stay until it is. We'll pull out combat troops and keep 50,000 troops there for years. Just like we did in Germany and Japan.
    That is what must happen for it to succeed, especially when looking at history. But I'd change years to decades.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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