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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So is it only bush's lies? or was there a patern of information that led to this war?


    Was there a cease fire sculped by the UN that allowed for the largest embezzelment scheme in world history?


    or are you looking at calling troops dying in vain as a political tool like suggesting palin writes 4 words on her hand.


    This is low, even for you.
    Sorry...but yes. There is ample evidence out there that Cheney/Rumsfield and Bush saw 911 as the perfect tool to manipulate the public and justify Cheney and Rumsfields decade long desire to invade Iraq. It was carefully crafted and the "perfect storm"..........and they absolutely capitalized on it and our soldiers were nothing more than pawns to them.

    The ultimate irony would be if Bush were ever lauded for these evil and despicable efforts.
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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    Hellhound, at some point it's important to note when someone is just off their rocker and not worth talking to. It appears you've blown past that point with this guy.
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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry...but yes. There is ample evidence out there that Cheney/Rumsfield and Bush saw 911 as the perfect tool to manipulate the public and justify Cheney and Rumsfields decade long desire to invade Iraq. It was carefully crafted and the "perfect storm"..........and they absolutely capitalized on it and our soldiers were nothing more than pawns to them.

    The ultimate irony would be if Bush were ever lauded for these evil and despicable efforts.



    You look like a partisan hack, and your using troops to fodder your hack position.


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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Sorry...I won't even attempt to try to open your eyes because you obviously want to believe that Bush and Cheney were noble in their efforts.
    Keep your eyes closed to the evidence and don't even think to wonder why we would invade Iraq as a response to 911.....because it doesn't fit within the world that you so want to live in....
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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry...I won't even attempt to try to open your eyes because you obviously want to believe that Bush and Cheney were noble in their efforts.
    Keep your eyes closed to the evidence and don't even think to wonder why we would invade Iraq as a response to 911.....because it doesn't fit within the world that you so want to live in....




    so is hypocrisy always your fall back?


    i find your refusal to even acknowledge historical fact, par for the course for a partisan hack such as yourself....
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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    Of course the only possible reason we could have invaded Iraq was a decades old personal vendetta held by Bush's advisors. It's the only logical explanation, you just need someone to open your eyes.
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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I pretty much agree with most of your post, with some disagreement in your last paragraph. Obama was against the war from the beginning, and I give him credit for being one of the few that had the foresight to see it was complete and utter bull. While the surge proved to make some difference, it --nor anything else--will never guarantee a "victory." As much as I despised this war, I'm torn about the withdrawl. I guess I don't know enough to make any judgement. Part of me sees this as a good thing to run and cut the losses, while another part of me thinks it could be chaotic for the people of Iraq.

    I think Biden is smoking crack if he thinks anything that comes out of Iraq would be considered a victory.
    This is the problem with people that opposed this war. To them, there will never be anything that will ever be considered successful. Thats why I am grateful that Obama has the integrity to seemingly see this thing through to a point where it is stable, rather than simply appeasing fools who believe an immediate pullout is favorable for all.
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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    I'll end this bickering.

    There was no WMD. There were no terrorists.

    There was a tyrannical, bloothirsty dictator with a regime that would never leave power who murdered scores of people, invaded neighbors, raped, tortured and wrongfully imprisoned people for no reason.

    He's dead now. That's a good thing.

    There are times that I get pretty upset when I look back on the two years that I spent there. There are times when I mutter to myself the same things disneydude is saying. There are times when I can justify it, like Rev.

    I don't really know what to think about it. Some of my buddies went home in bodybags; some have no legs. I got lucky, I guess.

    I don't know what to think of it, even after all these years. It is what it is.

    Most of the time, I think we helped more people than we hurt. If that's how I can justify it in my mind, the I guess that's good enough. There are those that will never see it that way; I understand. I'm not mad they feel that way.

    And for those who have and will support it forever, I'm ok with that, too.

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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    ahhh, remember back when the addition of Biden to the ticket was supposed to add "gravitas"?

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    Re: Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If Biden considers the war in Iraq to be any type of 'achievement' then he obviously doesn't have his sights set too high for the administration.
    Well, this administration needs at least one acheivement before 2012.
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