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    Re: Ron Paul: ‘Neocon influence’ is infiltrating tea parties

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Just because he is quite a bit more critical of the US foreign policy (I don't agree with him much at all, including foreign policy) does not mean you can just label it Marxist when he is the antithesis of Marxism.
    Actually that blame America first self-hating kook Ron Paul spews old Soviet agitprop verbatim and it just don't get any more Marxist than that. When it comes to foreign policy and vilifying American foreign policy as evil incarnate, Ron Paul is a Marxist!

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    Re: Ron Paul: ‘Neocon influence’ is infiltrating tea parties

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl Rove View Post
    Yeah right!
    Are you suggesting that Thomas Jefferson and George Washington were not the first advocates of non-interventionist foreign policy? If that is the case, then perhaps you should consult Wikipedia before continuing this discussion.

    Which is why, of course, Thomas Jefferson dispatched the marines half way around the world to defeat the Barbary Coast Pirates, which, by the way, were also a part of the same perpetual global jihad we are still fighting today between the Islamic world and everybody else.
    The Barbary corsairs were attacking our ships and pirating important trading routes. In case you were wondering, that means it was okay to involve our military...

    In any event, Ron Paul has been inculcated with the same brand of leftwing hatred of America as Marxists, which is why he always is very quick to blame America first while he spews old Soviet style agitprop verbatim while vilifying America and America's foreign policy. It's also the reason why only 9/11 Truthers, conspiracy theory nut cases, and other assorted kooks support that self-hating kook. Give me a break!
    I agree that his views on foreign policy can be unrealistic and overly idealistic, but he has a consistent and principled philosophical stance on foreign policy which is based upon, in large part, the writings of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. Ron Paul is too much of an idealist, but that doesn't make him an anti-American, self-loathing kook.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdrGKwkmxAU&feature=related"]YouTube- Eisenhower on the Military Industrial Complex[/ame]

    Eisenhower! What a kook!

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    Re: Ron Paul: ‘Neocon influence’ is infiltrating tea parties

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Not really, because while the real Karl is a cheerleader, he is not that ridiculous.
    Actually, you seem to be terribly confused.

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    Re: Ron Paul: ‘Neocon influence’ is infiltrating tea parties

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Are you suggesting that Thomas Jefferson and George Washington were not the first advocates of non-interventionist foreign policy? If that is the case, then perhaps you should consult Wikipedia before continuing this discussion.
    They weren't non-interventionists at all, they warned us about getting embroiled in other countries affairs we had no business getting into. That is something entirely different and common sense. However, when American national security was at stake, they were both hawks, as Thomas Jefferson demonstrated when he dispatched the Marines half way around the world to North Africa to put the Barbary Coast Pirates back in their place. Ron Paul is a loon and he is putting words in both those guys mouths.

    The Barbary corsairs were attacking our ships and pirating important trading routes. In case you were wondering, that means it was okay to involve our military...
    They weren't corsairs, they were Muslim jihadists, just like today's, who raided the coast of Europe for hundreds of years in the name of jihad and in the search of slaves and booty. Nevertheless, if what that self-hating kook Ron Paul claims about Washington and Jefferson were correct, then Jefferson never would have dispatched the Marines.

    I agree that his views on foreign policy can be unrealistic and overly idealistic, but he has a consistent and principled philosophical stance on foreign policy which is based upon, in large part, the writings of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington.
    Don't belittle the names of Jefferson and Washington that way. That self-hating kook Ron Paul is deliberately taking what both Jefferson and Washington were saying out of context to score brownie points with 9/11 truthers and other assorted kooks. The reality is both Jefferson and Washington would roll over in their graves if they knew the way that kook is exploiting their good names.

    Ron Paul is too much of an idealist, but that doesn't make him an anti-American, self-loathing kook.
    He isn't an idealist, he's a fricking kook, that has made a career out of always blaming America first, spewing verbatim old warn out Soviet agitprop, and pandering to 9/11 Truthers and other assorted conspiratorial kooks.

    Moreover, just like leftwing Marxist loons, Paul loves to take Eisenhower out of context too. So what else is new?

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    Re: Ron Paul: ‘Neocon influence’ is infiltrating tea parties

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl Rove View Post
    They weren't non-interventionists at all, they warned us about getting embroiled in other countries affairs we had no business getting into.
    Non-interventionism does not mean "never intervene".

    That is something entirely different and common sense. However, when American national security was at stake, they were both hawks, as Thomas Jefferson demonstrated when he dispatched the Marines half way around the world to North Africa to put the Barbary Coast Pirates back in their place. Ron Paul is a loon and he is putting words in both those guys mouths.
    Ron Paul voted in favor of the war in Afghanistan, so you obviously have no idea what you're talking about...

    They weren't corsairs, they were Muslim jihadists, just like today's, who raided the coast of Europe for hundreds of years in the name of jihad and in the search of slaves and booty. Nevertheless, if what that self-hating kook Ron Paul claims about Washington and Jefferson were correct, then Jefferson never would have dispatched the Marines.
    You just don't know what "non-interventionism" is. You think it means "never intervene in another country's affairs", but it doesn't, which is why Ron Paul voted to invade Afghanistan, and why Thomas Jefferson sent the Marines to the Barbary Coast.

    Don't belittle the names of Jefferson and Washington that way. That self-hating kook Ron Paul is deliberately taking what both Jefferson and Washington were saying out of context to score brownie points with 9/11 truthers and other assorted kooks. The reality is both Jefferson and Washington would roll over in their graves if they knew the way that kook is exploiting their good names.
    Huh!? What's he taking out of context?


    He isn't an idealist, he's a fricking kook, that has made a career out of always blaming America first, spewing verbatim old warn out Soviet agitprop, and pandering to 9/11 Truthers and other assorted conspiratorial kooks.

    Moreover, just like leftwing Marxist loons, Paul loves to take Eisenhower out of context too. So what else is new?
    Okay, why don't you put Eisenhower's words into context for us, Mr. Know-it-all. Apparently, when he was warning against the influences of the military industrial complex, what he really meant to say was...

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZdJRDpLHbw"]YouTube- Team America World Police Theme America **** Yeah EXPLICIT WARNING[/ame]
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    Re: Ron Paul: ‘Neocon influence’ is infiltrating tea parties

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl Rove View Post
    Actually that blame America first self-hating kook Ron Paul spews old Soviet agitprop verbatim and it just don't get any more Marxist than that. When it comes to foreign policy and vilifying American foreign policy as evil incarnate, Ron Paul is a Marxist!
    So in your world someone that holds the US to a higher ethical standard than the terrorists, is a "blame America first self hating kook?"

    I will try to avoid your world whenever possible, because while I do not agree with all of Ron Paul's positions, I think he wants what makes us more ethical than the terrorists. I have to admire him for that.
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    Re: Ron Paul: ‘Neocon influence’ is infiltrating tea parties

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Are you suggesting that Thomas Jefferson and George Washington were not the first advocates of non-interventionist foreign policy? If that is the case, then perhaps you should consult Wikipedia before continuing this discussion.
    George Washington fought in a war where the French, Spanish and Dutch intervened. So how the **** could he possibly approve of a non-interventionist foreign policy?
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    Re: Ron Paul: ‘Neocon influence’ is infiltrating tea parties

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Ron Paul voted in favor of the war in Afghanistan, so you obviously have no idea what you're talking about...
    Only because the voters would have run him out of his district if he didn't and on top of it he had to hold his nose to do it. Not to mention also that self-hating blame America first loon also blames 9/11 on the CIA's ouster of Mossadegh in 1953. Never mind the fact that the Dar al Islam has been pursuing jihad perpetually for almost 1400 years non-stop and they don't need an excuse to attack us or any other non-Muslim kafir infidels. Indeed, making Islam supreme in the world is Islam's highest mandate.

    Okay, why don't you put Eisenhower's words into context for us, Mr. Know-it-all. Apparently, when he was warning against the influences of the military industrial complex, what he really meant to say was...
    Okay., why don't you go kiss that self hating kook's ass for us, Mr. Know-it-all.

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    Re: Ron Paul: ‘Neocon influence’ is infiltrating tea parties

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So in your world someone that holds the US to a higher ethical standard than the terrorists, is a "blame America first self hating kook?"
    And a loon! And they aren't holding the USA to higher ethical standards, but instead idiotically attempting to morally equate America with terrorists, which makes them mentally unhinged loons!

    I will try to avoid your world whenever possible, because while I do not agree with all of Ron Paul's positions, I think he wants what makes us more ethical than the terrorists. I have to admire him for that.
    Just like Ron Paul, you obviously are also a guilt filled self-hating blame America firster.

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    Re: Ron Paul: ‘Neocon influence’ is infiltrating tea parties

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    George Washington fought in a war where the French, Spanish and Dutch intervened. So how the **** could he possibly approve of a non-interventionist foreign policy?
    Do you know what the word "advocate" means!? Apparently not, because even if George Washington was the biggest hypocrite on the planet, it still wouldn't change the fact that he was one of the first advocates of non-interventionist foreign policy. And since Mr. Rove wants to liken Ron Paul's foreign policy views to Marxism, I just figured I would point out that neither George Washington nor Thomas Jefferson were in fact Marxists.

    But don't let facts get in the way of your bitter crusade against libertarianism and Ron Paul...

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