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    Re: Is US bullying Toyota on recall?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i asked a question. i accused you of nothing.
    So the foreign automaker and italicizing my name meant nothing?
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    Re: Is US bullying Toyota on recall?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So the foreign automaker and italicizing my name meant nothing?
    yes, it did. i am curious as to why you are defending toyota so vehemently. would you so defend an american automaker?

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    Re: Is US bullying Toyota on recall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    There is an argument that this should have been figured out sooner. This is the third recall on the same issue, and now they finally claim they've got it figured out (time will tell, of course). Their reputation for safety is going to take a major hit in this situation, regardless.

    When coupled with the problems with the Prius, it looks like the hit is deserved. These are two big safety issues. The reliability stuff is secondary. If this was a single safety issue, I'd give the benefit of the doubt, but it's two separate and distinct safety issues neither one of them minor in nature. These are design flaws in two separate areas related to massively important aspects of their cars.

    Somewhere along the line, they are dropping multiple balls on safety.

    Thus, they absolutely deserve to take a hit in their reputation on safety. These problems are due to failures in design. For the Prius, the design flaw is software, for the accelerator pedal it's mechanical.

    Then, couple in repeated failures to figure out what was going wrong, and you've got a serious safety concern.

    On top of that, I would argue that of the "big three", Ford has the best chance of capitalizing in today's market. Judging by the numbers, they have gained the most from it actually. Also, look at the number of Awards Ford has been winning lately. N.A. Car and Truck of the year. 2010 Motor Trend Car of the year, 2009 Motor trend Truck of the year.
    Recalls happen, safety issues happen. Six months from now this will be mostly forgotten, except hopefully by the engineers who are designing new cars.
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    Re: Is US bullying Toyota on recall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Recalls happen, safety issues happen. Six months from now this will be mostly forgotten, except hopefully by the engineers who are designing new cars.
    They add up, though. If this is a continuing issue with Toyota, they'll be slammed. Two major ones in a short period of time can stick around for a while, but if they don't screw up for a while, then they'll come though it alright with minimal losses.

    At the same time, right now Ford's gaining momentum on everybody, not just Toyota. This type of thing might be enough to nudge them just enough to push them to the top of the heap.

    They've got a lot of things going for them right now, and this falter from Toyota might be something they can take advantage of, just as Toyota took advantage of GM faltering to claim the top spot in 2008. Or Ford's faltering earlier in the the decade to surpass them in 2007.
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    Re: Is US bullying Toyota on recall?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    yes, it did. i am curious as to why you are defending toyota so vehemently. would you so defend an american automaker?
    You try to force me to answer a question that has nothing to do with this thread. But you go on ahead with what you planned to say.
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    Re: Is US bullying Toyota on recall?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I've been thinking that this is being made a huge deal about to help U.S. automakers. That has been my gut feeling on hearing the over-coverage of this story.
    But Toyota has factories here in the US and tons of US employees. I would be absolutely disgusted if there was any intent to help American automakers by going after Toyota.

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    Re: Is US bullying Toyota on recall?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I've been thinking that this is being made a huge deal about to help U.S. automakers. That has been my gut feeling on hearing the over-coverage of this story.
    i disagree. gm got a ton of coverage last april for the fire problem recall.

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    Re: Is US bullying Toyota on recall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    They add up, though. If this is a continuing issue with Toyota, they'll be slammed. Two major ones in a short period of time can stick around for a while, but if they don't screw up for a while, then they'll come though it alright with minimal losses.

    At the same time, right now Ford's gaining momentum on everybody, not just Toyota. This type of thing might be enough to nudge them just enough to push them to the top of the heap.

    They've got a lot of things going for them right now, and this falter from Toyota might be something they can take advantage of, just as Toyota took advantage of GM faltering to claim the top spot in 2008. Or Ford's faltering earlier in the the decade to surpass them in 2007.
    Ford is the only American automaker that didn't take money. I owned a 2000 Expedition and it did pretty well. It developed a few problems here and there, but I would still consider a Ford.
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    Re: Is US bullying Toyota on recall?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i disagree. gm got a ton of coverage last april for the fire problem recall.
    Or the Ford/Firestone recall.
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    Re: Is US bullying Toyota on recall?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Ford is the only American automaker that didn't take money. I owned a 2000 Expedition and it did pretty well. It developed a few problems here and there, but I would still consider a Ford.
    Exactly. That's why I think they are the company most poised to take advantage of this.

    Personally, I would buy a Ford or a Toyota without too much worry, but I'll absolutely never buy another GM again (and this was decided well before the bail out).
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