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    Re: Repeal of 'Don't ask, don't tell' to trigger draft

    I can only hope something in this country can trigger a return the role of the citizen-soldier.

    I doubt that DADT will be the cause.

    For all you naysayers that despise the founding fathers of this nation, having fun deconstructing this:

    THE FOUNDERS' WISDOM

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    Re: Repeal of 'Don't ask, don't tell' to trigger draft

    If I thought that the abolition of DADT would trigger a draft, I would support it 100%.
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    Re: Repeal of 'Don't ask, don't tell' to trigger draft

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    This would really get the attention of the Bleeding Heart Liberals who feel that DADT should be repealed.........If that happened that would mean some of you young people would be able to see how it feels.......I wonder if you might change your mind on the issue.....
    Fear tactics don't work on everyone, including me. Yes the DADT is a good draft dodger and I was planning on using it if the time comes... But I don't see why we would have a draft anytime soon. I have 2 borders to run too - or I could fake a medical problem... If all else fails I will gladly sit outside with a gun in my hand when they come to take me away

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    Re: Repeal of 'Don't ask, don't tell' to trigger draft

    I don't understand why this has to be a partisan issue. Frankly, I think it's a mistake. It certainly won't be the end of the world. But if something works, why try to fix it? This should be decided based on a purely objective analysis of what's best for the men and women who serve. Not based on what makes a few politicians feel good about themselves. If it causes damage to the military and hurts the people it's supposed to be helping then it is not worth it in my opinion.

    There are plenty of gay people who serve in the military today and they can contribute as much as anyone else. That said, what people do in the privacy of their own bedroom isn't anyone else's business, and it should stay that way. That's why don't ask don't tell worked (for the most part). The people who serve with you don't need to know about your love life, whether you are gay, heterosexual, transsexual, or anything else.

    Just leave politics out of it.
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    Re: Repeal of 'Don't ask, don't tell' to trigger draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel View Post
    But if something works, why try to fix it?
    What makes you think the policy is working? Do you know how much it costs? Do you know how many have been discharged? Do you know what types of unts have been discharged?

    It seems to me you are assuming that it works, and I want to know why, because I don't agree.

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    Re: Repeal of 'Don't ask, don't tell' to trigger draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel View Post
    I don't understand why this has to be a partisan issue. Frankly, I think it's a mistake. It certainly won't be the end of the world. But if something works, why try to fix it? This should be decided based on a purely objective analysis of what's best for the men and women who serve. Not based on what makes a few politicians feel good about themselves. If it causes damage to the military and hurts the people it's supposed to be helping then it is not worth it in my opinion.

    There are plenty of gay people who serve in the military today and they can contribute as much as anyone else. That said, what people do in the privacy of their own bedroom isn't anyone else's business, and it should stay that way. That's why don't ask don't tell worked (for the most part). The people who serve with you don't need to know about your love life, whether you are gay, heterosexual, transsexual, or anything else.
    The problem with the policy, Rachel, is that gay people who serve have to constantly be worried about being "outed." They say "don't ask, don't tell," but really its "don't ask, keep-everything-a-big-secret." All that needs happen is that someone sees you off duty at a club or holding hands with your lover and its all over. Courtmartial, see ya! And the policy has actually INCREASED the level of suspicion and surveillance.

    Unless gay people can manage to find love without actually looking for it in any way, they have a problem. Lovers don't just pop into your private bedroom by magic--you have to look for them, and anything you do to look for them is public information that can be used against you, even if you it totally away from your duty station.

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    Re: Repeal of 'Don't ask, don't tell' to trigger draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    The problem with the policy, Rachel, is that gay people who serve have to constantly be worried about being "outed." They say "don't ask, don't tell," but really its "don't ask, keep-everything-a-big-secret." All that needs happen is that someone sees you off duty at a club or holding hands with your lover and its all over. Courtmartial, see ya! And the policy has actually INCREASED the level of suspicion and surveillance.

    Unless gay people can manage to find love without actually looking for it in any way, they have a problem. Lovers don't just pop into your private bedroom by magic--you have to look for them, and anything you do to look for them is public information that can be used against you, even if you it totally away from your duty station.
    Well said. Quite right. And we should not ask that of anyone.

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    Re: Repeal of 'Don't ask, don't tell' to trigger draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    The problem with the policy, Rachel, is that gay people who serve have to constantly be worried about being "outed." They say "don't ask, don't tell," but really its "don't ask, keep-everything-a-big-secret." All that needs happen is that someone sees you off duty at a club or holding hands with your lover and its all over. Courtmartial, see ya! And the policy has actually INCREASED the level of suspicion and surveillance.

    Unless gay people can manage to find love without actually looking for it in any way, they have a problem. Lovers don't just pop into your private bedroom by magic--you have to look for them, and anything you do to look for them is public information that can be used against you, even if you it totally away from your duty station.
    In my opinion, if you're serving on a navy ship and you're looking for love, you're in the wrong line of work. And if you get caught you have to accept the consequences. There's just no room for that on a ship, or on a base. Of course it happens. But it's a distraction, so it's discouraged.

    Same sex couples aren't equal under the law outside the military, so how do you expect them to be equal inside the military? Now getting everyone to be open about their sexual orientation in the military is going to bring up a lot of problems. The military should be concentrating on fighting the enemy not correcting society's problems.

    It's too much of a distraction. Allow same sex couples to get married in every state first, then after that's legal everywhere, then maybe start changing the military. It just seems too soon to me, that's all.

    And what if the next conservative president decides to bring back don't asks don't tell? This is just going to cause so many problems. This debate should stay outside of the military for now, although I admit that eventually it will change if society changes.

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    Re: Repeal of 'Don't ask, don't tell' to trigger draft

    Everyone looks for love. So do heterosexuals in the Navy.

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    Re: Repeal of 'Don't ask, don't tell' to trigger draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    Fear tactics don't work on everyone, including me. Yes the DADT is a good draft dodger and I was planning on using it if the time comes... But I don't see why we would have a draft anytime soon. I have 2 borders to run too - or I could fake a medical problem... If all else fails I will gladly sit outside with a gun in my hand when they come to take me away
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