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    Re: O'Reilly vs. Stewart!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Chris Matthews is a MSNBC anchor. David Gergen and Paul Begala are at CNN. Isn't Juan Williams and Bob Beckett and Kirsten Powers and Susan Estrich and Alan Colmes (still there) and Marc Lamont Hill and many, many more are on Fox ALL THE TIME.

    You're not paying attention.
    Yea difference being is, "joining us now to comment on X news story is FOX news contributer Karl Rove".
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    Re: O'Reilly vs. Stewart!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The point speaks for itself. Beck, while on CNN, was hating on BOTH sides, Bush included, and saying generally inflammatory things. He hasn't changed AT ALL since he came to Fox News. He's just an ADHD quasi-libertarian who says whatever comes to mind, whether it's right or wrong.
    Proof?

    He was hating on whatever politicians were in power. The format of his show was very similar.
    Proof?

    How can I prove that Glenn Beck is NOT something?
    How can you prove he's not a GOP mouth piece? Find what you consider to be the most damaging thing he's ever written or said about the GOP. I'll wait.
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    Re: O'Reilly vs. Stewart!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Being tough on John McCain is not the same as being tough on the GOP and you know this. . Specially not when you have everyday Republicans on this forum claiming that John McCain is a liberal or a RINO. These is the same Republicans who is trying to get "conservatives" elected in Arizona.

    No. Your argument seriously lacks at best, knowledge of John McCain-GOP relations and at very worst would be dishonest.
    That was one example. There are many many. Beck slammed the GOP for signing on to TARP in late 2008, has slammed them for years re their fiscal irresponsibility, their unwillingness to stand up and be 'men' on the real problems with Iraq and for not taking on or even condoing certain groups engaged in unethical or dangerous policies, for not taking on the illegal immigration issues, for agreeing with George Bush's disastrous energy policy, and for turning a blind eye to what Beck considers subservive elements who are radically influencing American politics and economics but who do not have America's best interest at heart.

    Plenty of conservative pundits have offered unsolicited advice to the Republican Party lately. But on his show Monday, Glenn Beck delivered what might be the weirdest counsel yet. Making an analogy to his preference for high-fat chocolate milk, "chunky milk," over his wife's skim "organic crap," he exhorted the party to be like the former. "I'm gonna for the chocolate milk with the lard and the fat in it," he said, not "progressive light."

    Glenn Beck: GOP Should Be Like 'Chunky Chocolate Milk' (VIDEO)
    He spent a good deal of his time expressing grave concerns about the new Republican senator from Massachusetts - enough time it made other (leftwing) news casts.

    But his criticism of John McCain should not be dismissed as irrelevent either. The REASONS he criticized McCain are relevant when looking to get a handle on where Beck is coming from:

    February 26, 2008
    Sen. John McCain has yet to win over hard-core conservatives. Talk-show host Glenn Beck is one of them.

    The Republican presidential front-runner is "more dangerous to the conservative movement than [Democratic candidate Sen.] Hillary Clinton," Beck says.

    "Hillary Clinton, you know what you're getting from her; you know who she is," Beck tells Steve Inskeep. "She actually believes in things, and I think John McCain believes in things, but they're not conservative."

    Beck describes himself as independent, not Republican.

    "I think when I was really young, I considered myself a Republican because of Ronald Reagan," Beck says. "But the party of Ronald Reagan has been missing. It's kind of like the Republicans now are, 'Where did I put those values I used to believe in? Oh, I must have left them in my other jacket.'
    Glenn Beck: GOP Must Rediscover Core Values : NPR
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    Re: O'Reilly vs. Stewart!!!

    I think the reason O'Reilly and Beck get along so well and are so successful playing off of each other, is that they both think pretty much alike. They don't always agree, but they are both able to zero in on a logical and rational fundamental to support their point of view.

    I honestly have never heard Jon Stewart be able to do that. Like most leftwing ideologues, he deals most in criticizing and accusing the other side while never quite expressing a clear rationale for why the 'progressive' way is better.
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    Re: O'Reilly vs. Stewart!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I think the reason O'Reilly and Beck get along so well and are so successful playing off of each other, is that they both think pretty much alike. They don't always agree, but they are both able to zero in on a logical and rational fundamental to support their point of view.

    I honestly have never heard Jon Stewart be able to do that. Like most leftwing ideologues, he deals most in criticizing and accusing the other side while never quite expressing a clear rationale for why the 'progressive' way is better.
    Stewart makes a living by making fun of, and criticizing people. That's his job, he's good at it, he also brings things up that the mainstream media doesn't discuss. He isn't an ideologue. Most left-wing "ideologues" as you call them, could find plenty of points to back up their ideology. Jon doesn't preach on his show. Noam Chomsky is a left wing ideologue, Jon Stewart isn't one.
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    Re: O'Reilly vs. Stewart!!!

    Did you see Miller tearing up with his admission of manlove for O'Riely and Stewart?


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    Re: O'Reilly vs. Stewart!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    "If you think Beck is a shill for the republican party, you're out of your mind!"



    Over all though, a pretty decent interview. I agree that the focus should have been more on policy views like at the beginning than a squabble about FNC.
    Now why on earth should the show discuss policy when the guest is a... COMIC ENTERTAINER?!!?

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    Re: O'Reilly vs. Stewart!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Stewart makes a living by making fun of, and criticizing people. That's his job, he's good at it, he also brings things up that the mainstream media doesn't discuss. He isn't an ideologue. Most left-wing "ideologues" as you call them, could find plenty of points to back up their ideology. Jon doesn't preach on his show. Noam Chomsky is a left wing ideologue, Jon Stewart isn't one.
    I would agree if Jon was as scathing and pointed in taking on any leftwing dogma, sacred cow, or liberal figure as he is when he takes on the right. Even serious journalists are beginning to appreciate how he is able to steer the young and gullible into negative impressions of conservative concepts and conservatives and implant notions that those on the Left have it right.

    To say that Stewart isn't an ideologue I think would be as ludicrous as saying that Glenn Beck and/or Rush Limbaugh aren't ideologues just because they use a lot of humor to make a point. Don't get me wrong. I don't find Stewart offensive and now and then actually enjoy his act--I especially appreciate that he rarely takes cheap shots at his targets; he is likable--but I don't doubt for a minute where he is coming from. Or why.

    From PR Watch (a extremely left leaning group) - a highly biased view that proves my point:

    Jon Stewart of Comedy Central's "Daily Show"An article in the New York Times asks whether Jon Stewart of Comedy Central's Daily Show has become the most trusted man in America, pointing out that his fake news comedy show has emerged in recent years as a "genuine cultural and political force." While 24-hour news networks like FOX, MSNBC and CNN have been pumping out infotainment-style news about topics like dead celebrities and sexual predators, the Daily Show has been critically tracking the cherry-picking of prewar intelligence, the politicization of the Department of Justice and the efforts of the Bush Administration to increase the power of the executive branch. Stewart has proven to be a master at calling out government and corporate spin, hypocrisy and red herrings, and helping his audience see them, too. A 2008 study from the Project for Excellence in Journalism at the Pew Research Enter for the People and the Press found that the Daily Show has had an impact on American dialogue and that it is "getting people to think critically about the public square."
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    Re: O'Reilly vs. Stewart!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I would agree if Jon was as scathing and pointed in taking on any leftwing dogma, sacred cow, or liberal figure as he is when he takes on the right. Even serious journalists are beginning to appreciate how he is able to steer the young and gullible into negative impressions of conservative concepts and conservatives and implant notions that those on the Left have it right.

    To say that Stewart isn't an ideologue I think would be as ludicrous as saying that Glenn Beck and/or Rush Limbaugh aren't ideologues just because they use a lot of humor to make a point. Don't get me wrong. I don't find Stewart offensive and now and then actually enjoy his act--I especially appreciate that he rarely takes cheap shots at his targets; he is likable--but I don't doubt for a minute where he is coming from. Or why.

    From PR Watch (a extremely left leaning group) - a highly biased view that proves my point:


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    Re: O'Reilly vs. Stewart!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Well we'll have to agree to disagree.
    That, for me, is always a reasonable option.
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