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    Re: Colorado Springs cuts into services considered basic by many

    They're doing what hte government refuses to do - cutting costs because they cannot lean on others to bail them out.

    Sucks but it's reality and the way things should go when you're out of cashola.

    However, if they managed their money more wisely over hte years it wouldn't be necessary.
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    Re: Colorado Springs cuts into services considered basic by many

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    To raise the taxes sufficiently though we'd have to first repeal TABOR. One problem is that TABOR is indexed wrong and prevents tax growth to keep up with the needs of a growing State. Some things are set in stone and we can't take money away from it, others have a floating budget, and overall CO is severely restricted in how much we can raise tax. It was a good idea till Wall Street and the banks ****ed over the system so hardcore. CO was one of the few fiscally responsible states out there, and now we're paying the price.

    TABOR is a bad idea. It's about as useful as zero tolerance policies in schools. People are realizing that TABOR is bad policy. Good policy requires thinking and dynamism, not TABOR. It was on two ballots last November - Maine and Washington - and was defeated in both places.
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    Re: Colorado Springs cuts into services considered basic by many

    Just finished reading the article .... damn, just damn.


    That place IS in trouble. The kind of cuts they are talking about are going to lead to even fewer revenues down the road. Nobody shops in a scary, dangerous place with bad roads.


    REALLY stupid.
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    Re: Colorado Springs cuts into services considered basic by many

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    It is, but for the sake of government spending that's little different from libertarianism.

    Colorado Springs is dominated by evangelicals and the military (five military installations nearby, including the Air Force Academy). Not exactly a bunch of liberals. If you want that, move down the road a bit to Boulder. Of liberals, they have more than their share.
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    Re: Colorado Springs cuts into services considered basic by many

    Quote Originally Posted by pugetsoundwa View Post
    awesome article. A Repubs dream come true. Why not just eliminate the Police and Fire Department all together? Hey its not my fault or problem if you get robbed or if your home burns down thats what certain insurance is for..If everyone bought a gun and a pit bull things would be much better..Lights?? Who needs to walk down the roads at night? you should be home. Autos have headlights to help you see where you are driving. Damn if you can't see well enough in the dark you shouldn't be walking around then...

    Colorado Springs IS repubs policies in action. It is highly conservative, heavily republican:



    "... El Paso County, in Colorado Springs, which is one of the most conservative communities in the nation. According to the El Paso County clerk's office on October 3, three days out from the close of voter registration, the county has 64,083 active Democrat, 82,245 active Unaffiliated and 131,249 active Republican voters. It's a given that the McCain-Palin ticket will take Colorado Springs and El Paso County. The question is by how much."

    Mayhill Fowler: Colorado Springs: Ground Zero for Battleground Colorado
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    Re: Colorado Springs cuts into services considered basic by many

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i thought colorado springs was a hotbed of conservative Christiandom - the evangelical vatican:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    It is, but for the sake of government spending that's little different from libertarianism.

    Colorado Springs is dominated by evangelicals and the military (five military installations nearby, including the Air Force Academy). Not exactly a bunch of liberals. If you want that, move down the road a bit to Boulder. Of liberals, they have more than their share.

    So, it relies on 'government spending' aka military spending to support its tax base? What would happen to Colorado Springs if those military bases and the Air Force Academy closed, I wonder?
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    Re: Colorado Springs cuts into services considered basic by many

    Unemployment in CO Springs is below the national average. They'd REALLY be in trouble if they were feeling the full brunt of this recession ...


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    118 Colorado Springs, CO Metropolitan Statistical Area 7.9%

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    Re: Colorado Springs cuts into services considered basic by many

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    So, it relies on 'government spending' aka military spending to support its tax base? What would happen to Colorado Springs if those military bases and the Air Force Academy closed, I wonder?
    if the public lands in the county now dedicated for military purposes were no longer exempt from ad valorem taxes as a result, the community coffers might be swelled
    but probably not enough to offset the revenues lost to diminished sales taxes


    and it would seem that a few of us have different views of libertarianism. evangelicals tend not to demonstrate the tolerant live and let live philosophy that i associate with libertarianism. which causes me not to perceive that place as a strong libertarian community

    is TABOR that different that what has been handicapping california, where the public can vote for new government programs while simultaneously voting to prohibit the raising of taxes to fund the costs of those new programs
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    Re: Colorado Springs cuts into services considered basic by many

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if the public lands in the county now dedicated for military purposes were no longer exempt from ad valorem taxes as a result, the community coffers might be swelled
    but probably not enough to offset the revenues lost to diminished sales taxes


    and it would seem that a few of us have different views of libertarianism. evangelicals tend not to demonstrate the tolerant live and let live philosophy that i associate with libertarianism. which causes me not to perceive that place as a strong libertarian community

    is TABOR that different that what has been handicapping california, where the public can vote for new government programs while simultaneously voting to prohibit the raising of taxes to fund the costs of those new programs


    Re: TABOR, no it is not that different (altho, yes somewhat different). Prop (can't remember the number) from CA that limited property taxes is its philosophical godfather.
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    Re: Colorado Springs cuts into services considered basic by many

    What is TABOR?
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